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Old 20th Aug 2019, 21:29
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Originally Posted by Strakur View Post


The opposite is try for me from DSA. Living in Sheffield, there is no public transport for early morning flights (unlike to MAN with a 03:24 train). Therefore I only take afternoon/evening flights from DSA.
The big problem for me is what do you do when you land at your destination at say 01.30am, you cannot go to your hotel and there's possibly no transport.
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Old 21st Aug 2019, 10:41
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Originally Posted by N707ZS View Post
The big problem for me is what do you do when you land at your destination at say 01.30am, you cannot go to your hotel and there's possibly no transport.
Wizz flights aren't primarily designed for tourism.

They're typically used by immigrant workers visiting friends and relatives. Lincolnshire/Yorkshire are excellent catchments for this type of traffic, and besides travelling to Luton face little competition.
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Old 21st Aug 2019, 11:52
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Originally Posted by MDS View Post
Wizz flights aren't primarily designed for tourism.

They're typically used by immigrant workers visiting friends and relatives. Lincolnshire/Yorkshire are excellent catchments for this type of traffic, and besides travelling to Luton face little competition.
Respectfully, recently DSA themselves have begun to market routes like Timisoara, as ' a tourist destination'.
Also we are still stuck in the mindset that everyone on a Wizz flight is a migrant. But ironically I was chatting to a local Polish friend , who thinks ( naturally) Wizz is a great product, bit he said that there are often tourists on the flights as , like any country Poland ( as an example) has a lot of stunning places .

Also keeping in mind , they are adding routes , so this becursed Brexit drama , seems not to be affecting their offerings, which are up by one flight from the summer , this coming winter .
Also with better timings , and I'm sure while not common , you could in theory pickup a dirt cheap flight to Warsaw then take advantage of connections to , ' city break or tourist destinations' not offered unless you travel to London or Dublin .

Ok granted such pax could be counted on one hand , but Wizz would not be introducing routes like Moldova , which I'm not certain there is a huge Moldovan local population.
So it is clearly a Tourist choice as per the DSA announcement, repleat with colourful photos of stunning city scenes !.


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Old 21st Aug 2019, 12:53
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Originally Posted by EGPO View Post
Respectfully, recently DSA themselves have begun to market routes like Timisoara, as ' a tourist destination'.
Also we are still stuck in the mindset that everyone on a Wizz flight is a migrant. But ironically I was chatting to a local Polish friend , who thinks ( naturally) Wizz is a great product, bit he said that there are often tourists on the flights as , like any country Poland ( as an example) has a lot of stunning places .

Also keeping in mind , they are adding routes , so this becursed Brexit drama , seems not to be affecting their offerings, which are up by one flight from the summer , this coming winter .
Also with better timings , and I'm sure while not common , you could in theory pickup a dirt cheap flight to Warsaw then take advantage of connections to , ' city break or tourist destinations' not offered unless you travel to London or Dublin .

Ok granted such pax could be counted on one hand , but Wizz would not be introducing routes like Moldova , which I'm not certain there is a huge Moldovan local population.
So it is clearly a Tourist choice as per the DSA announcement, repleat with colourful photos of stunning city scenes !.
My comment definitely wasn't meant in a derogatory sense, rather just an analysis of their primary target market for business purposes, as reflected by their less suitable timings into certain destinations (eg. getting picked up by a relative on the other side late at night)

Destinations in Poland such as Krakow are definitely becoming city break destinations (as per Jet2 from LBA) and it would be nice to see less explored destinations become more attractive to the local tourist market as they broaden their horizons. More people overall = more flights, which is the best outcome after all.

KRK, WAW, BUD, and even KIV are great opportunities with well known cities in hopefully stimulating city break holidays from DSA.
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Old 21st Aug 2019, 13:37
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Originally Posted by MDS View Post
Destinations in Poland such as Krakow are definitely becoming city break destinations (as per Jet2 from LBA)
Becoming? Krakow (and Budapest, Prague) have been city break destinations for best part of a quarter of a century. Even the likes of Gdansk following in their trail have been recognised some time! When I flew to/from Krakow shortly after EU entry probably 80% or more of pax were British. I have admittedly also seen other flights board (eg Szczecin) where I don’t think a single person was British.
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Old 22nd Aug 2019, 14:50
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Wizz have started to release Summer 2020 flights, so far its looking static which is good news in view of the nations impending Euro doom..

GDN 5 x weekly
KTW 5 x weekly
KRK 3 x weekly
POZ 3 x weekly
WAW 4 x weekly
WRO 2 x weekly
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Old 22nd Aug 2019, 17:33
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Originally Posted by egcntristar View Post
Wizz have started to release Summer 2020 flights, so far its looking static which is good news in view of the nations impending Euro doom..

GDN 5 x weekly
KTW 5 x weekly
KRK 3 x weekly
POZ 3 x weekly
WAW 4 x weekly
WRO 2 x weekly
Hmmm. Well I would hope this isn’t the full schedule as that’s quite a dramatic decrease from the coming winter let alone this summer!!!!!

Unless that is the schedule for the Hungarian fleet and there are more announcements pending.. Wizz UK fleet...
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Old 18th Sep 2019, 10:06
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Originally Posted by egcntristar View Post
Wizz have started to release Summer 2020 flights, so far its looking static which is good news in view of the nations impending Euro doom..

GDN 5 x weekly
KTW 5 x weekly
KRK 3 x weekly
POZ 3 x weekly
WAW 4 x weekly
WRO 2 x weekly
Further uploaded flights, which means a nice little increase in footfall year on year.

BUD 2 x weekly
DEB 2 x weekly
RIX 3 x weekly
VNO 3 x weekly
KIV 2 x weekly
OTP 5 x weekly
CLJ 3 x weekly
TSR 2 x weekly
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Old 19th Sep 2019, 08:44
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Originally Posted by egcntristar View Post
Further uploaded flights, which means a nice little increase in footfall year on year.

BUD 2 x weekly
DEB 2 x weekly
RIX 3 x weekly
VNO 3 x weekly
KIV 2 x weekly
OTP 5 x weekly
CLJ 3 x weekly
TSR 2 x weekly
Thats good to see at least!!!! Still nothing on any sort of replacement on the Flybe routes - I did hear they may be back with jets next summer but I doubt it.

Certainly seems to be a gap for someone to exploit tho..
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Old 19th Sep 2019, 17:10
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So thats it for Flybe at Doncaster Sheffield then. I have seen on social media that they are now withdrawing all routes from DSF on Saturday 26th October. I will be sad to see them go
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Old 19th Sep 2019, 19:15
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Posted elsewhere that Flybe have confirmed today that it's withdrawing all services from DSA as of October 26th, 2019.
This includes the planned winter flights to Amsterdam & Belfast City which have being on sale since the base closure announcement earlier this summer.
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Old 19th Sep 2019, 21:16
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Originally Posted by LBIA View Post
Posted elsewhere that Flybe have confirmed today that it's withdrawing all services from DSA as of October 26th, 2019.
This includes the planned winter flights to Amsterdam & Belfast City routes which have being sale since the base closure announcement earlier this summer.
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Gone for good I expect now. Who else is realistically going to pick up these lost routes?
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Old 20th Sep 2019, 09:00
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Originally Posted by TimmyW View Post
Gone for good I expect now. Who else is realistically going to pick up these lost routes?
Maybe Aer Lingus Regional (Stobart/Connect) for DUB?
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Old 20th Sep 2019, 15:07
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Originally Posted by brian_dromey View Post


Maybe Aer Lingus Regional (Stobart/Connect) for DUB?
RYR would be prime as EI tried DUB as recently as 2015.

Either would be nice though.
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Old 21st Sep 2019, 18:15
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Originally Posted by TimmyW View Post
Gone for good I expect now. Who else is realistically going to pick up these lost routes?
"From a DSA perspective, the Amsterdam and Belfast routes have proved popular with a 25 per cent increase in passenger numbers over the summer versus last year, with near full aircraft.

"We look forward to another strong year for Doncaster Sheffield Airport, thanks to our continuing partnerships with our growing airlines Wizz Air and TUI."

Seems as if the connect airways “master plan” is starting to be implemented with the “Flybe” flights being pulled back to ultimate serve Virgins needs ie feed traffic to LHR/MAN. Makes no sense for virgin to operate out of Doncaster and they evidently have no plan to ever provide feed traffic as per their recent LHR announcement.

I still fail to see what Stobart have gotten out of the connect airways arrangement, so far just taking over Isle of Man with two ATRs...

Flybe have proved there is demand at DSA for a variety of routes. It just needs to be operated by a company that sees value in being here and actually has competent management to enact a strategy.
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Old 21st Sep 2019, 18:51
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LM might take over the DSA from BHD or to BHD etc
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Old 21st Sep 2019, 19:25
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Was it a case of BE - use it or lose it? Noone used them (enough) and you lost it?
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Old 21st Sep 2019, 21:09
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Originally Posted by Alwayslistening View Post

I still fail to see what Stobart have gotten out of the connect airways arrangement, so far just taking over Isle of Man with two ATRs...
Maybe in the long run they will takeover the regional part?
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Old 21st Sep 2019, 22:50
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Originally Posted by CabinCrewe View Post
Was it a case of BE - use it or lose it? Noone used them (enough) and you lost it?
With some of the consistent highest load-factors on the network, i'd say that is not the case.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 15:43
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AMS could be KL or EZY.
KL operated before to Sheffield City airport using F50 so will know the loads and revenue they can expect on such a route.
They already operate to Leeds and Humberside, but it might offer additional feed to their hub network. Smallest aircraft is now E175.

EZY could operate A319 from their AMS base, however the aircraft might be a little too big for the market.
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