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[SealinkBF]

Loganair suspending flights over winter from Glasgow and Inverness to Shetlands. COVID still biting...

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp...nter-schedule/

[Plane mad 134]

Loganair are due to open a Base at Teeside for S21.

Frequencies for the Loganair Teeside routes are:
• 10x weekly Aberdeen.
• 7x weekly Belfast.
• 7x weekly Dublin.
• 3x weekly Newquay.
​​​​​• 1x weekly Jersey (on a W-pattern)

Will equate to a based E145 at Teeside for S21.

Thanks to SeanM1997 for the info.

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[TOM100]

I can only assume that LM must be getting incentivised to operate at MME, as they have, for example, chosen to ignore CWL, which is a proven volume market (with no competition, unlike MME) with regular volumes on some unserved routes in excess of 10K pax per month ? Seems odd. I don’t really understand the need to take risks in the current climate. Strange commercial logic.

[caaardiff]

Weren't Eastern being incentivised already? This seems a strange move. Loganair flexing its muscles to hurt Eastern.
Unless Eastern have had a falling out with Teesside?

[JSCL]

If Loganair have acted this way solely for the sake of competition - they've track record with this and Flybe up in Scotland - at the current time when such large chunks of the former Flybe network still remain so unserved, it astounds me. Scotland's airline trying to get a little bit big for its' boots I think here.

[TOM100]

Agree - seems an odd and commercially risky foray - unless of course the risk is being underwritten by somebody else.

[Link Kilo]

Originally Posted by JSCL

If Loganair have acted this way solely for the sake of competition - they've track record with this and Flybe up in Scotland

The situation with Flybe starting Highlands and Islands routes was the other way round - Loganair was the incumbent and Flybe (who used Eastern to fly on their behalf) sought to compete on those routes (though not for long as it turned out). So I think the two situations aren't analogous and don't amount to a track record of Loganair acting 'this way'.

[tallaonejuliet]

Originally Posted by JSCL

If Loganair have acted this way solely for the sake of competition - they've track record with this and Flybe up in Scotland - at the current time when such large chunks of the former Flybe network still remain so unserved, it astounds me. Scotland's airline trying to get a little bit big for its' boots I think here.

Little big for its boots?
Largest regional airline in the UK big enough for you?
You have a track record yourself for displaying contempt for Loganair in various threads, give it a rest fella.

[Wycombe]

Hinkles is on record as saying they don't want to expand massively south of the border, and that they will operate to other parts of the UK only where it's a safe bet due to clear market need (in normal times), the routes from EDI/GLA to SOU being a prime example (as they were trunk routes for Flybe), aswell as others into MAN, BHX, BHD (and to a lesser extent BRS, EXT and NQY). This does seem to go against that strategy a bit.

[fanrailuk]

Originally Posted by tallaonejuliet

Little big for its boots?
Largest regional airline in the UK big enough for you?

...because the biggest one went bust, amongst others.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Originally Posted by JSCL

If Loganair have acted this way solely for the sake of competition - they've track record with this and Flybe up in Scotland - at the current time when such large chunks of the former Flybe network still remain so unserved, it astounds me. Scotland's airline trying to get a little bit big for its' boots I think here.

Much of what flybe inherited out of BHD, SOU and MAN was built by Loganair in the first place! As for "track record", flybe, in one of their not infrequent strategic errors decided to wage all out was against a stronger incumbent using...leased Eastern equipment. It may just be payback time, it's healthy competition, consumer wins in the short term, medium term likely only one operator, at best, will remain.

[Albert Hall]

There's a video of the mayor talking about it. Sounds pretty clear to me that this is taking on the routes instead of Eastern, rather than as well as - and that he is supporting it. He mentions a three year contract.

I'd have thought any airline would be mad to turn down something of this nature right now if it was offered to them.

[SWBKCB]

Originally Posted by Albert Hall

There's a video of the mayor talking about it. Sounds pretty clear to me that this is taking on the routes instead of Eastern, rather than as well as - and that he is supporting it. He mentions a three year contract.

I'd have thought any airline would be mad to turn down something of this nature right now if it was offered to them.

I've just watched the video and didn't pick up anything that suggested it was instead of Eastern - at one point he mentions "competitive" flights and "tieing them down to a three year contract' but otherwise just more of the usual.

[SKOJB]

Originally Posted by SWBKCB

I've just watched the video and didn't pick up anything that suggested it was instead of Eastern - at one point he mentions "competitive" flights and "tieing them down to a three year contract' but otherwise just more of the usual.

whatever he said, both won’t last on those routes for too long!

[GrahamK]

Originally Posted by SKOJB

whatever he said, both won’t last on those routes for too long!

Both on 3 year contracts, so I suppose they will have to

[fanrailuk]

Originally Posted by GrahamK

Both on 3 year contracts, so I suppose they will have to

Or for as long as one or the other survives you mean.

[Rivet Joint]

Originally Posted by Wycombe

Hinkles is on record as saying they don't want to expand massively south of the border, and that they will operate to other parts of the UK only where it's a safe bet due to clear market need (in normal times), the routes from EDI/GLA to SOU being a prime example (as they were trunk routes for Flybe), aswell as others into MAN, BHX, BHD (and to a lesser extent BRS, EXT and NQY). This does seem to go against that strategy a bit.

Well remembered. There are definitely some ex BE routes that would seem much better picks if they want to expand south of the boarder. This strikes me as a very strange move that could potentially result in them shooting themselves in the foot. Whilst they won the battle with BE on their Scottish routes, it cost them many millions of pounds in the process. Whilst T3 are probably more of a pushover without BE backing them up, it seems LM have learnt nothing from their previous battle. Both will be losers out of this latest battle, as before, with the reward being a few routes out of an airport that has hardly had a history of having a business case for many routes. It could also be akin to kicking a hornets nest in motivating T3 to start competing on other LM routes in retaliation. I cannot see the business case for this especially during the times we find ourselves in. The only other option is that LM were approached by the mayor, in which case I wouldn’t touch him with a barge pole if that’s the sort of loyalty he shows to T3.

[southside bobby]

Unite union reporting this AM that a further 165 Loganair jobs at risk at GLA.ABR.EDI & INV.

[fanrailuk]

So called "Scotlands" airline applied for 138 LHR slot pairs....

Which they didn't get.

I do wonder what their master plan is?

[SWBKCB]

An announcement is expected imminently on plans by Loganair to launch services between London Heathrow and the Isle of Man. The Manx government is considering whether the taxpayer should foot the bill for daily flights to Heathrow until the border reopens. Loganair’s managing director Jonathan Hinkles said the island is an ’increasingly important part’ of the Scottish carrier’s network.

In another airline news site called Anna Aero, Jonathan Hinkles, managing director of Loganair, said: ’Our core is still Scotland and Newcastle, plus the Isle of Man now.’ Loganair has three core non-stop routes this winter - Liverpool, London City, and Manchester. Mr Hinkles said: ’Our operations base in the Isle of Man is already set up. We don’t want to create a new base anywhere else.’

Mr Hinkles told the aviation news website: ’We’ve operated to London City for some time, but the Isle of Man Government has a long-standing ambition to be reconnected with Heathrow. We’re still working on the route. We’re in discussions with the island’s government about it, but it must be part of a long-term plan. Our objective must be about the longer-term.’

Loganair eyeing island to Heathrow flights