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Old 5th Mar 2020, 12:52
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Loganair.co.uk - Protecting Key UK Air Routes
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Old 5th Mar 2020, 12:59
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Originally Posted by rhutch28
Manchester to Inverness is loganair now and had been for a few years now
Ah, of course. Maybe I misheard (likely) or misread the sub-titles on the NW News!
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Originally Posted by BAladdy
https://www.scotsman.com/news/transp...routes-2072608
According to this article in the Scotsman. LM are planning to take over the following routes:

Aberdeen to Belfast City, Birmingham, Belfast City and Jersey.

Edinburgh to Cardiff, Exeter, Manchester, Newquay, Southampton

Glasgow to Exeter, Southampton

Inverness to Belfast City, Birmingham, Jersey

Newcastle to Exeter, Southampton
I assumed they would have returned to BHD to GLA, EDI and MAN!
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Hopefully they do not overstretch themselves and get into trouble as a result...

Would probably be wiser to take a more cautious approach. They are sort of the last man standing for UK domestic travel in the regions. If they go under as well, it is back to horse carriages and steam engines.
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Old 5th Mar 2020, 13:02
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I can foresee Eastern and Blue Islands becoming Loganair franchises.


EDIT: Belfast Inverness already on sale, seems to be from 24 March
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Old 5th Mar 2020, 13:12
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Full list of flights to be added by LM are now available to book:

Aberdeen to Belfast City - Daily ERJ begins 16th March
Aberdeen to Birmingham - Up to 3 x Daily ERJ begins 16th March
Aberdeen to Jersey - Weekly ATR72 begins 19th May
Aberdeen to Manchester - Up to 4 x Daily ERJ begins 16th March. Capacity increase from 1st September when ATR72 replaces ERJ

Edinburgh to Cardiff - Daily ERJ begins 23rd March. Frequency increase to 10 x Weekly from 1st September
Edinburgh to Exeter - 6 x Weekly ERJ begins 23rd March. Frequency and Capacity increases from 6th July when flights will op Daily ATR72
Edinburgh to Manchester - Up to 4 x Daily ERJ begins 23rd March.
Edinburgh to Newquay - 2 x weekly ATR72 service begins 20th June
Edinburgh to Southampton - Up to 4 x Daily ATR72 begins 15th June

Glasgow to Exeter - Daily ERJ begins 30th March. Capacity increases from 6th July when ATR72 replaces ERJ
Glasgow to Southampton - Up to 3 x Daily ERJ begins 30th March. Frequency and Capacity increases from 6th July when flights increase to 4 x daily operated by AT7

Inverness to Belfast City - Daily SF3 flights begins 23rd March
Inverness to Birmingham - 4 x weekly ERJ begins 16th March. Frequency increases to daily ER4 from 23rd March
Inverness to Jersey - Weekly ATR72 begins 30th May

Newcastle to Exeter - Daily ERJ begins 6th July
Newcastle to Southampton - Up to 3 x Daily ERJ begins 23rd March

[Aircraft – ERJ is an Embraer Regional Jet with 49 or 37 seats; AT7 is an ATR72 with 70 seats; SF3 is a Saab 340 with 33 seats.]

https://www.loganair.co.uk/our-story...flybe-collapse
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Old 5th Mar 2020, 13:20
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Originally Posted by SealinkBF
I can foresee Eastern and Blue Islands becoming Loganair franchises.


EDIT: Belfast Inverness already on sale, seems to be from 24 March
That would be quite the reversal of the situation back in 2017
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Originally Posted by virginblue
Hopefully they do not overstretch themselves and get into trouble as a result...
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It’s the aircraft that need stretching......
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Old 5th Mar 2020, 14:40
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Originally Posted by DC3 Dave
It’s the aircraft that need stretching......
Are the Saab 2000's inOrebro still airworthy , i take it the dorniers at Dundee are not airworthy

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Edinburgh has appeared on Loganair's booking engine from London City. No dates showing availability though.
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Originally Posted by SealinkBF
Edinburgh has appeared on Loganair's booking engine from London City. No dates showing availability though.
No longer appearing
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This was quick work. Starts tomorrow ...

https://www.itv.com/news/granada/202...-to-liverpool/
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Originally Posted by ETOPS
This was quick work. Starts tomorrow ...

https://www.itv.com/news/granada/202...-to-liverpool/
They really are applying a scattergun approach aren't they. It makes sense that they seize upon the opportunity that BEs demise has provided before others have, but surely it would be more sensible to concentrate on building at BEs biggest bases, rather than opening routes at numerous different airports? With all the Airbus and oil contract work, the contracts with lesser airports like Carlisle that were pursued when BE were still a force, it sounds like they are going to be fighting on a lot of fronts, and perhaps spreading themselves too thinly? I hope it works out for them, but it seems like regional travel needs to retrench to a few key airports.
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Old 11th Mar 2020, 14:07
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Originally Posted by Rivet Joint
They really are applying a scattergun approach aren't they. It makes sense that they seize upon the opportunity that BEs demise has provided before others have, but surely it would be more sensible to concentrate on building at BEs biggest bases, rather than opening routes at numerous different airports? With all the Airbus and oil contract work, the contracts with lesser airports like Carlisle that were pursued when BE were still a force, it sounds like they are going to be fighting on a lot of fronts, and perhaps spreading themselves too thinly? I hope it works out for them, but it seems like regional travel needs to retrench to a few key airports.
Most, if not all, of the new LM routes have been launched from their own existing bases rather than opening new ones at former BE bases, so not really that scattergun an approach?

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Old 11th Mar 2020, 20:07
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
Most, if not all, of the new LM routes have been launched from their own existing bases rather than opening new ones at former BE bases, so not really that scattergun an approach?
I guess their hands are tied in some respects as before BE collapsed they were forced to look at the lesser airports and routes that no one served. I am sure they would like to cancel some of those routes now but would probably receive a lot of bad publicity as a result. Saying that, BEs demise has been on the cards for sometime so perhaps they should have kept their powder dry in anticipation. launching IOM - LPL in competition with EZY also seems a very strange move. There is surely a lot more lower hanging fruit for them to grab. Gold star for anyone who can come up with a more ridiculous route than ABZ - NQY as well. Pretty sure there is not much oil business being done on Newquay beach.
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Old 11th Mar 2020, 20:18
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launching IOM - LPL in competition with EZY also seems a very strange move.
Comes with a contract to provide the patient transfer service for IOM residents. Loganair aren't slow in dropping routes that don't work - for example, they've dropped NCL-BRU, and they've pulled out of EMA completely.
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And in other news during these gloomy times for the Airline industry, here is a nice video showing a few Loganair departures from Southend to Aberdeen and Londonderry (City of Derry) Airport.

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There's a lot of rubbish being talked on here.

they've pulled out of EMA completely.
Was there earlier on today and we had six flights in EMA today in all - three each to GLA and EDI. Funny way of pulling out.

Saying that, BEs demise has been on the cards for sometime so perhaps they should have kept their powder dry in anticipation. launching IOM - LPL in competition with EZY also seems a very strange move. There is surely a lot more lower hanging fruit for them to grab. Gold star for anyone who can come up with a more ridiculous route than ABZ - NQY as well. Pretty sure there is not much oil business being done on Newquay beach.
A shedload of under-performing routes have been taken out in the last two months - NWI/MAN, EMA/BRU, GLA/SEN, ABZ/SEN, NCL/BRU - frees up five E135/145s in all. IOM-LPL is basically a patient travel bus. And ABZ-NQY was served with a flight every Saturday for years by Flybe with a DH8-400 and to be flown this summer with a much smaller E145 on the same basis.

Would a hint of factual accuracy be too much to expect?!

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Originally Posted by Saabdriver1
Was there earlier on today and we had six flights in EMA today in all - three each to GLA and EDI. Funny way of pulling out.
Apologies - was EMA closed as a base, or am I just making things up? Anyway, we agree that LM have been active in dropping poorly performing routes.

And you should claim the Gold Star for ABZ-NQY. If there is any flying at all this summer, 'Staycation' routes like this could do better than normal.
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Loganair just announced 15-20% drop in forward bookings and subsequent reduction of 700 flights in April and May.

Got to be be one of the worst times to be starting new routes, albeit with a possible delay to these announced today.
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