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Old 14th Oct 2019, 17:19
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LCY has been served from IOM by DHC8-300s and Fokker 50s in the past, so something slower than the Saab 2000 is not really unusual on the route. In all fairness, the ATR42-600 can do 300 knots, so we are looking at somethin like a 15 per cent difference in speed.
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Old 14th Oct 2019, 17:22
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Originally Posted by virginblue
LCY has been served from IOM by DHC8-300s and Fokker 50s in the past, so something slower than the Saab 2000 is not really unusual on the route. In all fairness, the ATR42-600 can do 300 knots, so we are looking at somethin like a 15 per cent difference in speed.
From what I’ve seen the first few are -500s which are barely different anyway. Will be interesting to see the make up of the rest of the frames!
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Old 14th Oct 2019, 19:15
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Maybe glad the route remains, operated by anything as always seems like one that BA could ditch in a heartbeat.
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Old 14th Oct 2019, 19:29
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Will it get a BA livery?

It has been a while since we last saw a BA liveried ATR42: https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/9230326
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Old 14th Oct 2019, 19:34
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Originally Posted by CabinCrewe
Maybe glad the route remains, operated by anything as always seems like one that BA could ditch in a heartbeat.
Probably correct as the alternative is the woeful service to lgw by easyjet which had a 20% otp for the night roatation few years ago and has.not really improved. It is noticable that Ba have never upgraded to their own, or citiflier, metal for this route
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Old 15th Oct 2019, 02:10
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They did, the ERJ170s operated extra IOM rotations I am sure?
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Old 15th Oct 2019, 08:37
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Correct, Summer 2016.
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Old 15th Oct 2019, 08:41
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There was a daily ERJ170 rotation a while back however loads did not merit it continuing.

The 95 minutes time for the Saab is because of the changes in the LCY STARs a couple of years ago which takes the aircraft off to the east around Cambridge and thence over the ocean before turning south then west to towards LCY. The actual flight time is now around 1h15 against 1h before the changes (less if Thames Radar were kind and gave a shortcut). Contrast this to Flybe's typical flight time to LCW of 50-55 minutes in the Dash and Manx to LHR of 45-50 mins Jemima (always subject to holding of course). That's progress for you.
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Old 16th Oct 2019, 22:30
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With Flybe ending there Manchester to Glasgow route, do we think Loganair will take that on as well https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...nsions-in-w19/
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Loganair have pulled the recently introduced Edinburgh to Islay service causing a bit of political stir on the island.
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Old 17th Oct 2019, 11:58
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Originally Posted by Atlantic Explorer
Loganair have pulled the recently introduced Edinburgh to Islay service causing a bit of political stir on the island.
Why would that be then?
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Old 17th Oct 2019, 15:27
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The problem is, according to a report in The Illeach, that the flight was biased 90/10 in favour of passengers originating in Edinburgh with only a low uptake from passengers on the island. So, that seems at first glance to mean that the flight is unpopular, but that depends on how you look at it as, presumably the majority of those passengers originating in Edinburgh will return there. Remember that Islay is only a small island with a population of approximately 3,500 but a place that attracts a relatively large number of tourists due to the existence of a some excellent distilleries. To the people of Islay the existence of an air service is a life-line. The existing service to Glasgow is very popular and is used by a large number of the inhabitants who need to travel to hospital appointments in Glasgow - the alternative is a road/ferry service of over 5 hours and using a ferry that is often overbooked due to the number of freight vehicles are also utilise it. Apparently Loganair decided to publicly announce the withdrawal of the service without even discussing the matter with the local council.
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Old 17th Oct 2019, 20:46
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Flybe and Loganair have kissed and made up. Codeshare agreement signed.

https://www.orcadian.co.uk/loganair-...are-agreement/
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Old 29th Oct 2019, 08:30
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Loganair to continue with the Dundee - Stansted route:-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...ntral-50211168

Bigger aircraft to be used, I suppose that will be one of the ATR 42-500's once they arrive.
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Old 29th Oct 2019, 12:11
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what a shame, would have been better if they had moved it to SEN
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Old 29th Oct 2019, 12:48
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The catachment areaaand relative wealth don't add for moving a London connection to Southend-on-Sea, they never did.
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Old 29th Oct 2019, 12:57
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Yes, arriving at Stansted Mountfitchet is much better.
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Old 29th Oct 2019, 13:01
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Originally Posted by mikkie4
what a shame, would have been better if they had moved it to SEN
Better for whom ? I would have thought they might want to wait and see how their other new domestic routes to SEN perform before they commit further to SEN. In particular LDY after its transfer from STN.
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Old 29th Oct 2019, 13:20
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Originally Posted by Tagron
Better for whom ? I would have thought they might want to wait and see how their other new domestic routes to SEN perform before they commit further to SEN. In particular LDY after its transfer from STN.
LDY is, as I’m sure you know, a PSO-funded route. They’ve added additional summer capacity as compared to LDY-STN. No idea if that’s a sign of increased demand.
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Old 29th Oct 2019, 13:54
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Pax numbers on DND-STN have been heading backwards and last stats show average load of 57%. The existing SEN routes all have loads of 62-63%, which is clearly better including on CAX which is both a brand new route with somewhat faster link to London area by train. On that basis I can’t see what harm shifting to SEN would do, and can’t see the benefit of upgrading to an ATR unless they’ll be attempting to boost demand by lowering fares.
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