Loganair-2

[nef]

Originally Posted by CabinCrewe

Shrewd move when they analysed the forward bookings. The demographic appears to be completely different to the EW service before it, with homespun outbound leisure rather than business or significant inbound which is perfect for this winter frequency. In the absence of code share and connections at this stage, it was never going to be a mid winter connections bonanza.
The review of the fleet ops for the winter will have impacted on this early decision also.
Will need time to grow and find its place in a particular market. They can no doubt look into codeshares etc at a later date if economically viable and in their best interest.

That's one way of looking at it..........but surely the fact of the matter is that biz travel demand GLA<>DUS hasn't suddenly vanished overnight - and neither has inbound leisure from that part of Germany -
the problem is that LM seemingly aren't able to attract those market segments and as such they're struggling.

Iirc, over the past 2 winters EW have managed to operate this route at a reasonable freq with Dash-8s or airbus and even in midwinter have seemingly carried more than enough pax to sustain an E145 operation. As such, it seems very questionable to say this is an issue of overall demand (I dont believe these pax have just disappeared). Its more an issue for LM, i.e. lack of connetions, lack of brand awareness in Germany, lack of biz traveler awareness etc.

Cutting freq may be a "shrewd move" in someways, but it's not going to help them build biz traffic or endear them to pax who have their flight cancelled.

This surely raises questions for LM and their other Euro routes and plans - If they can't take a over a proven route and sustain it by attracting/retaining the existing demand, then how can they hope to gain traffic on new routes? They've already dropped ABZ-OSL and intial numbers on NCL-BRU seem well down on bmi numbers, so it may well not be an isolated problem.

[goldeneye]

If it was a proven route why did Eurowings pull it in the first place ?

[BA318]

I flew from DUS the other week to LHR and the Loganair flight to GLA was running 4.5hrs late. That doesn't win passengers over.

[Albert Hall]

Surely If it’s a one off then that’s aviation and happens to every airline some day or other. If it’s a regular thing then it’s a problem.

[inOban]

Originally Posted by goldeneye

If it was a proven route why did Eurowings pull it in the first place ?

Eurowings pull EDI-DUS completely for January and half of February, even though I believe there's a major exhibition during that time.

[goldeneye]

Originally Posted by inOban

Eurowings pull EDI-DUS completely for January and half of February, even though I believe there's a major exhibition during that time.

Was referring to the GLA service.

[inOban]

I was merely pointing out that demand between Scotland and DUS seems remarkably seasonal.

[Rob Royston]

Originally Posted by BA318

I flew from DUS the other week to LHR and the Loganair flight to GLA was running 4.5hrs late. That doesn't win passengers over.

The aircraft that does this flight usually does the 0700 to SYY and back first. Last week there seemed to be weather delays and cancellations for a few days on this route and one day the flight circled SYY a few times and returned to Glasgow. Conditions must have improved shortly after as they flew to SYY again, landed and returned to GLA after midday. The timekeeping to DUS has been quite good apart from this day. On the other days that this weather lasted, I think the morning SYY flight was cancelled and the passengers were probably carried on the later SEN GLA SYY aircraft and a Saab 34.

[SealinkBF]

Originally Posted by BA318

I flew from DUS the other week to LHR and the Loganair flight to GLA was running 4.5hrs late. That doesn't win passengers over.

Agreed, however Loganair do have loyalty because they do actually care about their pax

[BAladdy]

LM currently operate a fleet of 4 S2000’s, with 1 of the aircraft currently being based at IOM.
Currently none of LM’s W19 scheduled services are showing as being operated by S2000’s.

Does anyone know if there any plans plans when it comes to the future of the remaining 3 S2000’s ?

[BAladdy]

Originally Posted by Paul015

Discussions underway for between 11-13 ATR 42s currently and an additional 2 ATR 72 freighters. The 42s estimate entry to service in the next 24-30 months directly replacing the Saab fleet. The 72 will be sooner than this depending on levels of freight business and also how the 4 incoming ATRs are received given it’s a new operating platform for the airline. Will be interesting to see how this will work out and when these ATRs are in service where the jets will fit into the picture given the props lower overhead costs

Is the plan to recieve the first ATR in November and add 3 more by Q1 2020 and are the aircraft being added still expected to be a ex Canaryfly AT7 and 3 ex Hop AT4’s

[manx crab]

Originally Posted by BAladdy

LM currently operate a fleet of 4 S2000’s, with 1 of the aircraft currently being based at IOM.
Currently none of LM’s W19 scheduled services are showing as being operated by S2000’s.

Does anyone know if there any plans plans when it comes to the future of the remaining 3 S2000’s ?

FWIW the S2000 is still showing on the BA Iom route for July 2020

[BAladdy]

BA will not update the schedule until they know exactly when the AT4 is expected to be ready to enter service.. Adjusting capacity will be easy the AT4 will only have two less seats than the S2000

[Mister Geezer]

Invitations for tenders for the DND operation closed yesterday, so it will be interesting to see what develops.

My money is on the route moving to SEN, especially if the rumours of STN recently increasing their operating charges have any truth to them.

[4567]

Certainly would allow Loganair to build and consolidate a mini domestic hub at SEN with Glasgow, Aberdeen and Carlisle, perhaps longer term they might try to connect Derry there too.

[SWBKCB]

Originally Posted by 4567

Certainly would allow Loganair to build and consolidate a mini domestic hub at SEN with Glasgow, Aberdeen and Carlisle, perhaps longer term they might try to connect Derry there too.

Do you mean hub? Going Carlise to Glasgow via SEN seems a bit OTT!

[4567]

Yeah I meant a domestic hub with the existing routes.

[Rob Royston]

Does anyone know what happened to G-SAJG? It flew GLA DUS on 22nd July but the return flight LM272 was cancelled. G-SAJK is now doing it's routes, is JG still on the ground over there?

[Fly757X]

Originally Posted by Rob Royston

Does anyone know what happened to G-SAJG? It flew GLA DUS on 22nd July but the return flight LM272 was cancelled. G-SAJK is now doing it's routes, is JG still on the ground over there?

JH is on the ground in Londonderry, due to either crew sickness or tech. ( I presume tech). Overall the dispatch reliability of the ERJ fleet seems to be vastly improved BMR. Just seems like one of those days.

[virginblue]

Originally Posted by 4567

Yeah I meant a domestic hub with the existing routes.

The only less suitably located airport for a domestic hub I can think of would be Manston, to be honest.