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Old 30th Apr 2019, 18:43
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Interesting that BA, KL, EK, QR are happy to work with LM but LH group isn’t.
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Old 30th Apr 2019, 20:57
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Originally Posted by TartinTon
I'm sure they can but there would be a significant overhead in terms of management time (and possibly additional personnel) to get first IOSA and then CARA approval. It's a time consuming process.
Of course LH might decide after getting their fingers burnt with bmi that they want nothing to do with another AIL group company.....
Didn’t BMI not have IOSA approval?

Cant they just transfer that over with everything else?

(Ive obviously said that with my tongue firmly in my cheek)
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Old 1st May 2019, 00:06
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
The airport have been pushing them quite heavily - local media, Facebook etc
I opened my mouth too soon. I've seen two Loganair ads in the last 12 hours
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Old 1st May 2019, 09:55
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They lost 9m quid last year but this year with so many new routes and empty aircraft and the cost of advertising I reckon it will be double that of last year. Sorry to be negative but I haven't seen anything that would convince me otherwise...
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Empty aircraft - any evidence for that?
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Old 1st May 2019, 13:31
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Originally Posted by Sharklet_321
They lost 9m quid last year but this year with so many new routes and empty aircraft and the cost of advertising I reckon it will be double that of last year. Sorry to be negative but I haven't seen anything that would convince me otherwise...
The loss was down to the Flybe split and having to set up booking systems, rebranding etc.

Im sure the management know what they are doing, the Channel Islands routes will pick up IT passengers from some of the tour operators that sell Channel Islands.

I have some concerns over the sudden launch of some routes like NCL to BRU but only time will tell.
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Old 1st May 2019, 13:49
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the sudden launch of some routes like NCL to BRU
The sudden launch? A route that a "sister" company had been running for years? Shouldn't hold too many surprises...
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Old 1st May 2019, 17:11
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
Empty aircraft - any evidence for that?
There has been a lot of positioning movements but I suppose things will take a while to settle. Yesterday G RJXE was sent to ABZ so today they had to substitute the late morning from GLA to SYY with a Saab340. G SAJI was delayed leaving for Dusseldof and the two evening rotations to SYY are thus running one hour late. I'm not sure this will go down well on one of their busiest routes.
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Old 1st May 2019, 18:05
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Originally Posted by Rob Royston
There has been a lot of positioning movements but I suppose things will take a while to settle. Yesterday G RJXE was sent to ABZ so today they had to substitute the late morning from GLA to SYY with a Saab340. G SAJI was delayed leaving for Dusseldof and the two evening rotations to SYY are thus running one hour late. I'm not sure this will go down well on one of their busiest routes.
These types of issues are not uncommon. My last flight to SYY was delayed as something needed positioned from Dundee due to issues elsewhere.
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Old 1st May 2019, 19:07
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
The sudden launch? A route that a "sister" company had been running for years? Shouldn't hold too many surprises...
As mentioned above. This route really needs a codeshare, when BM operated it there was a codeshare agreement with Brussels Airlines in place to allow for transfer passengers. Now there is not one, loads not great.
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Old 1st May 2019, 23:34
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BMI had codeshares with all their STAR partners and lost millions. Code shares can be biased with too much of the risk falling on one party with the bulk of the reward going to the larger partner.
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Originally Posted by NorthEasterner
As mentioned above. This route really needs a codeshare, when BM operated it there was a codeshare agreement with Brussels Airlines in place to allow for transfer passengers. Now there is not one, loads not great.
If you can keep all the money earned from a half-full plane you may be better off than sharing the money earned from a full plane with a code-share partner. Just sayin' (as usual: yield unequal load)

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Old 2nd May 2019, 21:48
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Originally Posted by goldeneye
Interesting that BA, KL, EK, QR are happy to work with LM but LH group isn’t.
The arrangement that bmi regional had with LH was apparently restrictive from an operational point of view, due to aspects like the recruitment criteria for new pilots needing to be changed to conform to LH policy along with LH stipulating a higher experience criteria for pilots operating flights ‘wearing’ an LH flight number. It all reduces flexibility from a operational point of view.

I doubt Loaganir will be in a rush to be bound by the same operational restrictions for some time to come, based on what they will know about bmi regional.

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Old 2nd May 2019, 23:06
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Originally Posted by LesPretend


Didn’t BMI not have IOSA approval?

Cant they just transfer that over with everything else?

(Ive obviously said that with my tongue firmly in my cheek)
BMI did have IOSA and the last CARA by the Lufthansa group conducted towards the end of last year was apparently shocking.
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Old 2nd May 2019, 23:08
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In addition, BM cancelled flights without informing SN on the day before collapse, asking to speak to Management etc.

I'm sure this didn't do too well for relations between SN and the AIL (BM+LM) Group!
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More new routes announced.

Aberdeen up to 3x daily flights to both Norwich and Newcastle starting from September 1st
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Originally Posted by LBIA
More new routes announced.

Aberdeen up to 3x daily flights to both Norwich and Newcastle starting from September 1st
Didn't they try Norwich - Aberdeen few years age, believe it didn't last long. Or are they expecting Eastern won't last much longer
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The press release says specifically that these moves are in response to Easterns poor performance on the routes...
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Old 3rd May 2019, 19:37
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
The press release says specifically that these moves are in response to Easterns poor performance on the routes...
Isn't Eastern's Norwich - Aberdeen service operated by a Loganair aircraft anyway
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Originally Posted by LBIA
More new routes announced.

Aberdeen up to 3x daily flights to both Norwich and Newcastle starting from September 1st
Newcastle

A 2nd ER3 will be based at NCL to operate to 14 of the 15 weekly flights planned.

LM001 NCL 07:00 ABZ 07:50 ER3 x567
LM005 NCL 14:40 ABZ 15:30 ER3 x67
LM007 NCL 18:00 ABZ 18:50 ER3 x67
LM007 NCL 18:15 ABZ 19:05 ER4 7

LM002 ABZ 08:20 NCL 09:10 ER3 x567
LM006 ABZ 16:00 NCL 16:50 ER3 x67
LM008 ABZ 16:45 NCL 17:35 ER4 7
LM008 ABZ 19:20 NCL 20:10 ER3 x67

Norwich

A ER4 will join the 2 ER3’s already based at NWI to op the new 15 x Weekly ABZ service.

LM011 NWI 06:55 ABZ 08:10 ER4 x567
LM013 NWI 11:30 ABZ 12:45 ER4 x67
LM017 NWI 17:45 ABZ 19:00 ER4 x6

LM012 ABZ 08:40 NWI 09:55 ER4 x567
LM016 ABZ 16:00 NWI 17:15 ER4 x67
LM018 ABZ 19:35 NWI 20:50 ER4 x6

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