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Old 26th Apr 2019, 21:12
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Sad news in a way about the Dornier. End of an era I guess. I remember meeting Roy and Merlyn Suckling when they were pitching for work out of Aberdeen.

They don’t make them like that anymore.
There was a lovely documentary in the 80s or 90s about Suckling Airways. Merlyn made the sandwiches in her kitchen for the flights. Just seemed like a delightful airline. Although they all were back then!
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Old 26th Apr 2019, 22:28
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Loganair gets a mention in this.

Failed airline FlyBMI 'owed £37m' when it collapsed, say administrators

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48071724
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Old 27th Apr 2019, 16:22
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Loganair gets a mention in this.

Failed airline FlyBMI 'owed £37m' when it collapsed, say administrators

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48071724
And yet Logan are taking on a lot of the same clearly loss making routes and uneconomic aircraft. Is there no lesson to be learnt here? East Midlands to Inverness? Bournemouth to the Channel Islands? All on 50 seater regional jets that Flybe and BA connect Decided were uneconomical over 10 years ago? Hope it works out for them but seems flawed logic.
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Old 27th Apr 2019, 17:06
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Maybe Logan have their cost base right and bmi didn't? Just a thought...
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Old 27th Apr 2019, 17:15
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It also depends if the routes that Loganair have picked were loss making...? They surely would have seen the numbers previously, plus there are a number of ex-bmi services not resumed (maybe they were the loss making ones...?).
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Old 28th Apr 2019, 18:40
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Originally Posted by Rivet Joint


And yet Logan are taking on a lot of the same clearly loss making routes and uneconomic aircraft. Is there no lesson to be learnt here? East Midlands to Inverness? Bournemouth to the Channel Islands? All on 50 seater regional jets that Flybe and BA connect Decided were uneconomical over 10 years ago? Hope it works out for them but seems flawed logic.
They need to get the message across that their fares include a suitcase, no payment fees, you get free tea and coffee (and if Ryanair have taught us anything it's that that isn't a deal breaker) and are genuinely lovely airline to fly with.
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Old 29th Apr 2019, 14:36
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Sorry to say that I was one of only four passengers the inaugural flight from Jersey to Bournemouth today. Better pick up fast or this route is going to be gone quick.
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Old 29th Apr 2019, 16:09
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Give the route some time. Awareness needs to build. Bournemouth is home to the largest financial services centres on the south coast so Loganair should try to promote the route with JP Morgan, Liverpool Victoria and Barclays to name a few....
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Old 29th Apr 2019, 16:47
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Originally Posted by Nakata77
Sorry to say that I was one of only four passengers the inaugural flight from Jersey to Bournemouth today. Better pick up fast or this route is going to be gone quick.
What was the load in the other direction though? I’d have assumed the bulk of pax would be leisure travellers from the south coast
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Old 29th Apr 2019, 18:13
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Well said planner1, most inaugural returns are empty, the key figure (which we don’t have) is how many were on the BOU to JER leg.
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Old 29th Apr 2019, 20:03
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and im sure they would give it a summer season to pick up and assess. Do we know if theres been any decent advertising at either end. Certainly some Scottish TV stuff for new routes to eg DUS and Bergen
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Old 29th Apr 2019, 20:12
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On the advertising front, maybe I'm not looking hard enough but I haven't seen any at all for the ex-BMI routes from NCL.
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Old 29th Apr 2019, 20:39
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Originally Posted by cobopete
Well said planner1, most inaugural returns are empty, the key figure (which we don’t have) is how many were on the BOU to JER leg.
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He said on the Bournemouth thread around 10 on the return leg
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Old 29th Apr 2019, 21:00
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On the advertising front, maybe I'm not looking hard enough but I haven't seen any at all for the ex-BMI routes from NCL.
The airport have been pushing them quite heavily - local media, Facebook etc
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Old 30th Apr 2019, 09:41
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Newcastle to Brussels loads poor compared to BMI on the 3 times I've used the service. Loganair should be looking at SN codeshare if they want to increase pax numbers or reduce fares.
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Old 30th Apr 2019, 09:44
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Originally Posted by brownale342
Newcastle to Brussels loads poor compared to BMI on the 3 times I've used the service. Loganair should be looking at SN codeshare if they want to increase pax numbers or reduce fares.
They can't as they aren't IOSA or CARA cleared for Lufthansa to approve it.
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Old 30th Apr 2019, 09:58
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Can they possibly look into getting approved. Codeshares will help their loads, especially now flying to a hub like Brussels and Dusseldorf from regional UK airports.
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Old 30th Apr 2019, 11:46
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Originally Posted by brownale342
Can they possibly look into getting approved. Codeshares will help their loads, especially now flying to a hub like Brussels and Dusseldorf from regional UK airports.
I'm sure they can but there would be a significant overhead in terms of management time (and possibly additional personnel) to get first IOSA and then CARA approval. It's a time consuming process.
Of course LH might decide after getting their fingers burnt with bmi that they want nothing to do with another AIL group company.....
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Old 30th Apr 2019, 16:02
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I did worry that all this expansion was far too fast! The brand change is a big adjustment for a lot of their catchment areas. Perhaps they’re hoping the Scottish island routes will subsidise the other routes. They should consider expansion of their Glasgow and Edinburgh bases to European destinations I feel.
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Old 30th Apr 2019, 16:32
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Poster on another forum has pretty much said that they won't go into the Lufthansa process as it's too restrictive. It sounds like the desire for LH and LM to work together may be absent from both sides of the relationship!
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