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Old 2nd Mar 2019, 13:26
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In 2016, Airbus did proving flights to/from SYY with an Airbus A350 so that must have been the largest widebody ever to land there.

In 2001, an AA 767 diverted to SYY because of an medical emergency. Pan Am diversion (mechanical issue) was in 1990. Problem in those cases: No steps available for a widebody.
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Leaving issues such as crosswind limits etc. aside: KOI and LSI have 1.428m and 1.500m runways. LCY has 1.508m and has seen ER3 ops by Jetmagic and Luxair. So just looking at the runway length, it should be doable for sn ER3 .For the ERJ145EP, takeoff field length TOW for 400nm, full PAX, ISA, SL is 1.410m, for MTOW it is 2.000m+. So it really depends what you are looking for, how much wear and tear you are willing to accept etc. etc., but generally it does not look as if an ER4 could be operated from LSI/KOI in an useful way.
Are Loganair in possession of an ER3?.
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Yes they use one on INV-MAN

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Any idea how many more Embraers are to transfer to Loganair?
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Old 2nd Mar 2019, 14:48
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Originally Posted by EGPO
Are Loganair in possession of an ER3?.
Below is a complete list of the current Loganair Embraer fleet and their operations on 1st March:

E135 x1
G-SAJB - Operating Loganair routes from INV

E145 x7
G-RJXC - Operating the Airbus shuttle - BRS/TLS/CEG
G-RJXD - Operating Loganair routes from INV
G-RJXE - Operating for flybe ABZ-NWI
G-RJXH - Operating the Airbus shuttle - BRS/TLS/CEG
G-RJXI - Operating Loganair routes from LDY-STN
G-RJXM - Positioned to ABZ on 28-Feb
G-SAJC - Operating Loganair routes from GLA
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Old 3rd Mar 2019, 07:04
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Originally Posted by 4567
Any idea how many more Embraers are to transfer to Loganair?
I imagine a few more aircraft will transfer over. They will require one for Newcastle, when those flights begin later this month.
Also, Glasgow to Dusseldorf starts at the end of this month. There was also supposed to be a further two Embraers transferring to Loganair for summer 19 anyway.
Plus with the Southend flights being announced, a would suspect further aircraft will be required for these services.
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Originally Posted by garry8g
I imagine a few more aircraft will transfer over. They will require one for Newcastle, when those flights begin later this month.
Also, Glasgow to Dusseldorf starts at the end of this month. There was also supposed to be a further two Embraers transferring to Loganair for summer 19 anyway.
Plus with the Southend flights being announced, a would suspect further aircraft will be required for these services.
I'm sure they will need a few more transferred as required.
Tomorrow they start Esjberg and Oslo from ABZ. They have one aircraft in ABZ already and an extra one in INV. However they have a flight from Bristol in the morning that looks like it will do the Monday flight to Esjberg this week. For the rest of the week the one aircraft will cover both routes as Oslo is later in the day.
I wonder if the aircraft at INV will reposition to Bristol today or if they have another ready to release.
Edit: They have an 1805 from ABZ to Bristol tonight so could use the spare one from INV tomorrow.

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Old 3rd Mar 2019, 12:20
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Did DAT start Esjberg-Aberdeen?
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Old 3rd Mar 2019, 12:23
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Just answered my own question by looking at the ABZ thread. Will be interested to see who comes out on top.
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Originally Posted by willy wombat
Just answered my own question by looking at the ABZ thread. Will be interested to see who comes out on top.
Loganair are also up against SAS on the Oslo route. It's a hard game.
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Old 3rd Mar 2019, 19:59
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Originally Posted by Rob Royston
Loganair are also up against SAS on the Oslo route. It's a hard game.
As were bmi...the DAT operation on EBJ is new
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Old 4th Mar 2019, 09:56
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Time for Loganair to set up a subsidiary company using aircraft chartered from the parent. It can be called 'British Midland Airways'.
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Old 4th Mar 2019, 10:50
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Originally Posted by Rob Royston
I'm sure they will need a few more transferred as required.
Tomorrow they start Esjberg and Oslo from ABZ. They have one aircraft in ABZ already and an extra one in INV. However they have a flight from Bristol in the morning that looks like it will do the Monday flight to Esjberg this week. For the rest of the week the one aircraft will cover both routes as Oslo is later in the day.
I wonder if the aircraft at INV will reposition to Bristol today or if they have another ready to release.
Edit: They have an 1805 from ABZ to Bristol tonight so could use the spare one from INV tomorrow.
I got that wrong, they are using the Norwich aircraft for EBJ on Mondays. The one that overnights at Bristol on Sunday night comes up to ABZ and then does Oslo. It appears that there is a spare aircraft at INV for now.
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Old 4th Mar 2019, 10:55
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Does anyone know of LM are going to continue to operate the Airbus corporate shuttle flights beyond the end of March. If they are does this contract require 2 aircraft to operate it or can it be operated by 1 aircraft
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I got that wrong, they are using the Norwich aircraft for EBJ on Mondays. The one that overnights at Bristol on Sunday night comes up to ABZ and then does Oslo. It appears that there is a spare aircraft at INV for now.
BM used to use the aircraft leased to T3 for the NWI service to operate there EBJ service. The current lease to T3 is ending at the end of March.






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Old 4th Mar 2019, 17:52
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Are the crews used to operate LM’s aircraft that nightstop at DND, EDI, KOI and LSI based at these stations?

Also does anyone know if LM went through with the recruitment of crews for Carlisle last year when the routes were announced the first time round?. What happend to the if they were recruited?. Where they put on hold?.

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Old 9th Mar 2019, 22:36
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Looks like another 3 ex BMI ERJ145 have transfered to Loganair now
G-EMBI now reg. G-SAJG
G-EMBJ now reg. G-SAJH
G-EMBN now reg. G-SAJI
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Old 9th Mar 2019, 23:47
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Would Loganair take any of the larger Embraer EG E175/190 as o thought at one point ,Stobart and Eastern had some from Flybe.
Eastern Did have the E170 but not sure where they are now . Was probably a better bet than the ones Loganair plan to use at LSI.
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 00:10
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Originally Posted by EGPO
Would Loganair take any of the larger Embraer EG E175/190 as o thought at one point ,Stobart and Eastern had some from Flybe.
Eastern Did have the E170 but not sure where they are now . Was probably a better bet than the ones Loganair plan to use at LSI.
I believe they’re stored in Naples.
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 12:38
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To be pedantic only one of Sumburgh's runways has sea either end, I was there 1989-91 and the fire men could still tell horrific stores of the Danair 748 and BA Chinook!! The co-pilot of the Chinook was still flying S61's at LSI and did a mean curry night at the Sumburgh hotel!! Biggest jet in my day was Maersk B732 diverting in from Faro with gravel kits on, only saw them use 15/33 mind you!
Sorry ramble over carry on......
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 12:49
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Originally Posted by EGPO
Would Loganair take any of the larger Embraer EG E175/190 as o thought at one point ,Stobart and Eastern had some from Flybe.
Eastern Did have the E170 but not sure where they are now . Was probably a better bet than the ones Loganair plan to use at LSI.
The E170 that Eastern / Flybe flew ABZ LSI ABZ LSI EDI LSI GLA SYY GLA LSI ABZ LSI ABZ was mostly carrying very low numbers. It also could not land in LSI in adverse weather. This had all been forecast on this thread, or maybe the Eastern thread, before it started.
There is a limited amount of passengers available at LSI and SYY, like elsewhere people prefer to travel in their cars, or even by bus or train, even when it means a ferry journey. At one time it was common for people to fly from GLA to ABZ and INV. I remember flying in a Loganair Trislander from INV to EDI around 1974. Improvements in roads, vehicles and trains has wiped these routes out.
I flew in and out of LSI for 25 years as an oil industry passenger and I can't remember ever using a scheduled airline, it was always charters. That's what worked as the companies needed to avoid overloading Shetland with people that they could not accommodate if delays occurred. The aircraft needed to carry two chopper loads and a few seats for admin folk, chopper crews, etc.
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