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Old 18th Feb 2019, 10:50
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Looks like LM are planning to use 2 ER4’s to operate flights from ABZ. However there are some gaps in the schedule. Based on the current schedule loaded the 2 aircraft will operate:
Aircraft 1
Monday

07:30 BRS-ABZ 08:55
09:30 ABZ-OSL-ABZ 13:25
14:15 ABZ-BRS-ABZ 17:25
18:05 ABZ-BRS-ABZ 21:30

Tuesday to Friday

13:40 ABZ-OSL-ABZ 17:35
18:05 ABZ-BRS-ABZ 21:30

Sunday

13:40 ABZ-OSL-ABZ 17:35
18:05 ABZ-BRS 19:25

Aircraft 2
Monday to Friday

10:20 ABZ-EBJ-ABZ 13:40

Are Loganair really going to have one ER4 operating just to ABZ-EBJ-ABZ?.


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Old 18th Feb 2019, 10:59
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Originally Posted by BAladdy
Looks like LM are planning to use 2 ER4’s to operate flights from ABZ. However there are some gaps in the schedule. Based on the current schedule loaded the 2 aircraft will operate:
Aircraft 1
Monday

07:30 BRS-ABZ 08:55
09:30 ABZ-OSL-ABZ 13:25
14:15 ABZ-BRS-ABZ 17:25
18:05 ABZ-BRS-ABZ 21:30

Tuesday to Friday

13:40 ABZ-OSL-ABZ 17:35
18:05 ABZ-BRS-ABZ 21:30

Sunday

13:40 ABZ-OSL-ABZ 17:35
18:05 ABZ-BRS 19:25

Aircraft 2
Monday to Friday

10:20 ABZ-EBJ-ABZ 13:40

Are Loganair really going to have one ER4 operating just to ABZ-EBJ-ABZ?.


NCL is one ER4. Looks like no ER3s at this time on top of the second one that was always coming get across.

Has as anyone heard anything about the other ER3/4 that we’re due to transfer across before S19?
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 11:07
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Surely the ABZ-EBJ fits on the ABZ-NWI aircraft operating for Eastern, just as it did for bmi?
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 11:16
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Originally Posted by mmeteesside
E145 SAJC positioned into Chester to operate Airbus flights from tomorrow presumably. ATR42 leased from DOT to cover at Glasgow
G-SAJB positioned to BRS last night to join G-SAJC in operating the Airbus flights. ATR72-600 (ES-ATA) has been leased from Nordica to cover LM’s flight from INV.

Can’t find any information on how long the aircraft have been leased for.
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 11:22
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Originally Posted by BAladdy

G-SAJB positioned to BRS last night to join G-SAJC in operating the Airbus flights. ATR72-600 (ES-ATA) has been leased from Nordica to cover LM’s flight from INV.

Can’t find any information on how long the aircraft have been leased for.
think they only here for a week, should be back to normal for the weekend
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 11:24
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Originally Posted by Flightrider
Surely the ABZ-EBJ fits on the ABZ-NWI aircraft operating for Eastern, just as it did for bmi?
T3’s agreement with BM was set to end at the end of March.

Flights on T3’s ABZ-NWI route have for the last year been shown on BE’s website as operated by BM in behalf of T3. BE updated the schedule back in November and flight to NWI changed to just operated by T3 from the start of the S19 schedule.
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 14:55
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Wonder if LOG are planning anything else ex ABZ - there are indeed gaps a-plenty as BAladdy says. Aircraft one occupied on Mon, but Tues-Fri it's free all morning; and a/c two has a very light schedule! However I guess start with the established ex-bmi routes & assess from there.
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 16:37
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Something that's been bugging me that I can't get my head around is this. Airline Investments Ltd (AIL) has made a (perfectly valid) commercial decision to allow one of its subsidiaries to enter administration, by failing to give it sufficient funds to continue operating. I haven't read their recent accounts but one assumes that Flybmi now has insufficient assets to meet obligations to creditors.

Another subsidiary of AIL, Loganair, has taken on several of Flybmi's routes. All Flybmi reservations are no longer valid and customers must re-book with Loganair. If there are insufficient assets to give full refunds to those who have already paid for reservations, this raises the prospect of the parent company profiting from allowing Flybmi to enter administration. Even if customers receive a full refund, would it not have been easier for AIL/Loganair and for customers simply to transfer their bookings? For lots of reasons it's certainly difficult to believe that Loganair didn't know this in the pipe-line.

I may be barking up the wrong tree here and I'm not alleging any illegal behaviour, but at the very least it does seem a very odd way to go about managing the process.
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 17:26
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Aeromad - if one could claim in the bankruptcy court that Loganair was sonehow a successor company or otherwise legally related to bmir, then creditors of bmir might then be able to sue for the assets of Loganair as well. If AIL want to sacrifice bmir and retain Loganair, then they need to be able to justify to the judge that the 2 airlines are legally unrelated. The judge may well smell a rat anyway over bmir and Loganair, but if nothing can be proven then AIL will get what they want
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 18:13
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Haven't seen this posted here but this is the information for BMI crew: https://www.loganair.co.uk/wp-conten...info-pack1.pdf
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 19:35
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Originally Posted by Fly757X
Haven't seen this posted here but this is the information for BMI crew: https://www.loganair.co.uk/wp-conten...info-pack1.pdf
Looks like Loganair are planning to add new bases at Bristol, Chester, Derry, East Midlands and Newcastle. As they are also advertising for Cabin Crew for those airports.

https://www.loganair.co.uk/recruitment-drive/

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I’m sure the AIL owners Stephen and Peter Bond has their lawyers erect a very large legal firewall between themselves and and Flybmi but by taking over such a vast amount of Flybmi routes they do leave themselves open to criticism about how this whole situation has went down.
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 21:49
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by taking over such a vast amount of Flybmi routes
Five at last count?!
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 22:08
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Originally Posted by BAladdy

T3’s agreement with BM was set to end at the end of March.
No it wasn’t, it was a 5 year deal with about 2/3 years left to run.
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 06:43
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Looks like Loganair are planning to add new bases at Bristol, Chester, Derry, East Midlands and Newcastle. As they are also advertising for Cabin Crew for those airports.
So is that all of flybmi's old UK bases? Looks like they have already got (or are confident of getting) the LDY PSO work, the Airbus contract and the EMA flying (not yet announced?)
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 07:32
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I’m sure the AIL owners Stephen and Peter Bond has their lawyers erect a very large legal firewall between themselves and and Flybmi but by taking over such a vast amount of Flybmi routes they do leave themselves open to criticism about how this whole situation has went down.
One ailing airline with a heavy commitment to European flying which will become more difficult or to any extent is less certain in the new politik.

Another airline with a large commitment to UK flying.

Strategic decision to run one down and place much of the UK flying with another to whom you have recently place Embraer's. Looks ok to me.
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Originally Posted by 22/04
One ailing airline with a heavy commitment to European flying which will become more difficult or to any extent is less certain in the new politik.

Another airline with a large commitment to UK flying.

Strategic decision to run one down and place much of the UK flying with another to whom you have recently place Embraer's. Looks ok to me.
Not sure you can use the "run one down" as this doesn't seem to have been the case, on the face of things at least - more like "run them out".

And also the fact that they announced taking over the flybmi aircraft, ABZ routes and set-up a whole new crew base in NCL within 24hrs...

All seems very orchestrated...and terribly convenient.
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 10:07
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LM are operating the T3/BE flights between ABZ and NWI until the 31st March on a Saab 2000.
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 10:30
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I remember when Capital Airlines ceased trading, Loganair picked up the GLA-LBA service within a couple of days. They didn't hang around then either, though I concede there was no LBA base set up by Logan.

Interestingly, that route has been operated by British Midland for two periods, Loganair for two periods, Dan Air, Metropolitan, Brown Air, Capital and Manx. The route is not currently served. I hope Logan is aware of this.
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 10:38
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I am sure Loganair is aware the GLA LBA currently unserved - they are based at GLA after all. I just hope they do not overcomplicate their business model opening too many bases or else you end up like Flybe with a base at (virtually) every UK airport.
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