Loganair-2

[lfc84]

up to 48 i belive

[4567]

Great to hear as the interior of new ATR is much improved on earlier models to the benefit of staff and customers!

[BAladdy]

Any word on when LM are going to announce there new European routes from GLA?.

[TartinTon]

Originally Posted by BAladdy

Any word on when LM are going to announce there new European routes from GLA?.

I suspect that they may have issues getting decent slots at any of the major cities that have been mentioned as they are simply full at peak hours whether you have new entrant status or not.
This *could* be a reason for the delay in announcing. Otherwise you would want to get on sale as early as possible to give yourself the longest lead time to sell.

[tibbs87]

Originally Posted by Jerbourg

Embraer stopped building Brasilias in 2001!

True, they ceased main production of the aircraft in 2001, but they do build new Brasilia's on request, as the Angolan Air Force received newly built EMB 120s in 2007.

[davidjohnson6]

If main production ended 17 years ago, would you really want to place a new order ? Yes I'm sure all the paperwork is in place, I would be wondering if the tooling, factory process and organisational knowledge / experience that sits in emoyees heads is really as good as it needs to be to produce aircraft which don't end up being hangar queens. If I was an airline CEO, the idea of manufacturer employees having to essentially relearn things they/their colleagues hadn't done for years to be a bit of a concern

[mullac30]

The only possible reason for LM to want a dodgy brand new Brazillia is commonality with the ERJs. ATR family makes much more sense.

[virginblue]

Originally Posted by tibbs87

True, they ceased main production of the aircraft in 2001, but they do build new Brasilia's on request, as the Angolan Air Force received newly built EMB 120s in 2007.

Why would you go from 34 seat Saab 340s to 28 seat Embraer 120s? Despite them being availble as built to order, apparently nobody in the past 17 years has ordered any. Must be for some reason.

The 30seater market simply is a non-starter and even the 50seat market is struggling, given the small number of orders for the only available 50 seater turborprop. The ATR42 more or less has become a niche application for those who cannot make use of ATR72s on short runways (like in the Bahamas, the Caribbean etc.) I understand that the operating costs for both ATRs are more or less the same so it appears to be a non-brainer to have an additional 25 seats to toy around with if acquisition costs for ATR72 are not much higher than for ATR42s.

[Arctic Circle]

Operating costs are very similar. The 42 only requies one cabin attendant. More importantly for Loganair, the 42 has better crosswind capabilities than the 72.

[Rob Royston]

The ATR has a much poorer safety record than the Saab 340. I'm basing this on 2014 data. Should this be a concern for Loganair?

[The Listener]

Seems a bit like comparing apples with oranges so to speak....
When you were basing this how many ATR (42 and/or 72) against how many SAAB 340's? Hundreds against dozen(s)?

Just asking :-)

[Arctic Circle]

Consider to which parts of the world many newer ATRs have been sold. The safety record here in Europe is very good.

[scr1]

According to their twitter feed their will be a announcement in the new year

https://twitter.com/FlyLoganair

[Rob Royston]

Originally Posted by The Listener

Seems a bit like comparing apples with oranges so to speak....
When you were basing this how many ATR (42 and/or 72) against how many SAAB 340's? Hundreds against dozen(s)?

Just asking :-)

I can't find it now, but it was fatalities per one million take offs. The ATR's were at 0.44 and the Saab 340 was on 0.19. It was based on data of all incidents up to 2014.

[Flightrider]

I’ve never known an airline evaluation of a new type to be conducted in internet search statistics, to be honest. But if they did - as A 42/72 would on average be carrying about double the number of passengers of a 340, you’d expect this metric to be about double if the accident rates themselves were the same, surely?

[Rob Royston]

Originally Posted by TangoAlphad

It is more complicated than that. How may of those ATR accidents came down to pilot error or being operated in inherently more dangerous areas? If you look at Saabs that have a serious failure leading to a loss of life vs ATR etc and came up with those numbers you can maybe have an argument to say they aren't as safe but there are a lot of cowboy outfits in ATR's that could really skew that number.

I found where I got it from, maybe I'm reading it incorrectly. There was a problem with icing on the ATR's in the earlier models. If you click on the FLE link it makes you to another page.

http://www.airsafe.com/events/models/rate_mod.htm

[rhutch28]

Originally Posted by BAladdy

Any word on when LM are going to announce there new European routes from GLA?.

Glasgow to Dusseldorf flight start on 31 March 2019, Taking over from Eurowings
https://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/...y-in-new-year/

[Fly757X]

G-SAJC (Ex G-RJXF) entered service today which relieved G-SAJB from Inverness for maintainence at Aberdeen.

[DND delivery]

Originally Posted by Rob Royston

I found where I got it from, maybe I'm reading it incorrectly. There was a problem with icing on the ATR's in the earlier models. If you click on the FLE link it makes you to another page.

There was an American Eagle ATR72 crash in 1994 (Roselawn), a combination of icing and pilot error. They modified the de-icing boots after that accident.

[BAladdy]

Originally Posted by Fly757X

G-SAJC (Ex G-RJXF) entered service today which relieved G-SAJB from Inverness for maintainence at Aberdeen.

was G-SAJC delivered in having been painted in Loganair colours?.