Loganair-2

[nef]

Originally Posted by BAladdy

Does anyone know when Loganair might announce what European cities it plans to serve with the ER4’s joining the fleet for S19?. I have heard that BRU will almost definitely be one of the routes announced and have heard rumours of flights to CPH.

I think cph and bru could be a mistake given the sheer volume of frequency, capacity and ultra low fares available on these routes from EDI - you can get edi-cph on Fr for £26 rtn and edi-bru on SN for as little as £64 rtn on many dates over the coming winter! A LOG e145 operation will surely require fares of £150-200+ and I'm skeptical whether they'll be able to get enough pax willing to pay such fares at GLA in the face of what's available at EDI only 40 miles down the M8. I think many pax traveling to these destinations could just ignore a LOG service due to fare difference and fly from EDI instead.

Imo they'd be better going for routes that are not currently served (or only lightly served) from the central belt such as BGO, SVG, OSL, HAJ, LUX, ZRH, BIO. These are much thinner in terms of pax numbers, but due to the lack of competition or direct alternatives I suspect they'd be better able to command the kind of higher fares such an operation would likely require.

I really hope LOG have done their homework very dilligently on this, as a poor choice of routes could be a real mess.

[GoEDI]

I strongly agree. EDI-LUX/ZRH could be good routes. Maybe GLA-OSL/DUS (if EW are leaving that route). Can't see any value in them attempting the likes of BRU and CPH given the competition, as you say. Shouldn't be trying to rely on codeshares and connections to hub routes either. It might increase demand, but it will just dilute the yields. Needs to be p2p routes that can generate good O&D demand even with high fares in order to create good margins on these ERJs IMO...

[mullac30]

G-SAJB was officially re-registered and transferred to Loganair today, according to G-INFO. It is currently at Inverness awaiting the take over services from the leased BMI a/c, whilst G-SAJC will do Glasgow S2000 routes when it arrives.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Why G-SAJ* in particular?
Someone's initals?

[mullac30]

Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot

Why G-SAJ* in particular?
Someone's initals?

Scotland's Airline Jet?
Presumably, the first ATR42 that comes in "late 2019" will be something like:
G-SATA (T for Turboprop)
G-SAPA (P for Prop)

[Atlantic Explorer]

Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot

Why G-SAJ* in particular?
Someone's initals?

Scotland’s Airline Jets.

[mullac30]

Why is the leased BMI 145 at INV still doing half the flights? Why can't the 135 take over completely?

[BAladdy]

Looks like the Manchester-Inverness service is being operated by a mixture of aircraft over the next few days. Maybe LM do not have enough Embraer trained crews at the moment.

[BAladdy]

https://buyingbusinesstravel.com/fea...nkles-loganair

Just read this article online. The article states that LM plan to add 4 ex BM jets in the next year and that they will be based at GLA & NWI. So looks like the days of LM operating the day D328 are numbered.

[goldeneye]

BMI used to operate to Zurich from EDI, stopped about the time of the BA sale.

Going back even further, Crossair used to operate from ZRH with a Saab 2000 in the late 90s

[4567]

According to a recent interview GLA will be the main source of European destinations from Scotland, slot application dependent two airports in Germany have been applied to and waiting to hear back. Assumptions at the moment at taking over the Dusseldorf route which has been dropped by eurowings and perhaps Hamburg or Hannover could be a good prediction.

As as has been mentioned Brussels and Copenhagen may be a step too far but you never know in the aviation world, I suppose it will depend on the success of jet operations.

[limited_sight]

A concern with Loganair is that their future jet fleet comprises of aged airframes that have excessive fuel burn per seat. This will become very unhealthy for them soon, once their hedges have run out.

Starting European routes in expectation that Scotland will leave the European Union is also not risk free.

[mullac30]

Originally Posted by limited_sight

A concern with Loganair is that their future jet fleet comprises of aged airframes that have excessive fuel burn per seat. This will become very unhealthy for them soon, once their hedges have run out.

Starting European routes in expectation that Scotland will leave the European Union is also not risk free.

The ERJs aren't just for expansion, they are also replacing S2000s and D328s. It's been mentioned that the considerably cheaper parts and maintenance, and the higher reliability of the ERJ compensates for the higher fuel burn compared to the Saab 2000 and D328 that they will be replacing on routes that don't require short field performance ( this is where at least one brand new ATR 42-600S will come in Q3 2019 ) in order to phase out the S2000 when they go off lease in 2020.

[spagiola]

Jota flew Avro RJ85 G-JOTR for Loganair for a few days in mid-October. Was this covering for an aircraft in maintenance?

[scodaman]

Loganair starting City of Derry Airport LDY - Glasgow GLA this coming Sunday 28th Oct and it is sold out and so is the return the following Sunday 4th Nov.

[mikkie4]

If/when LOGANAIR start flights from SEN could they pick up the GLASGOW flights that have been stopped by STOBART/FLYBE or would costs make it a non starter

[_aax1]

Originally Posted by mikkie4

If/when LOGANAIR start flights from SEN could they pick up the GLASGOW flights that have been stopped by STOBART/FLYBE or would costs make it a non starter

Not a chance. The yields on the are already rock bottom on LON-GLA due to competition.

[ifu05596]

Gla-Man

Bring back Loganair on GLA-MAN. I’m working there until the end of January and looks like winter has Flybe down to 2 flights Man-Gla on Thursday/Friday and will lose my Friday night due to a 7pm flight...

Wouldn't mind the Clan points either!

[BAladdy]

Loganair have today announced new year round routes from EDI to BGO, SVG and ILY for S19. They also plan to operate operate a seasonal service to GCI. Flights to BGO, GCI and GCI will be operated by a 37 seat ER3

http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/articl...from-edinburgh

[tomahawk98]

Originally Posted by BAladdy

Loganair have today announced new year round routes from EDI to BGO, SVG and ILY for S19. They also plan to operate operate a seasonal service to GCI. Flights to BGO, GCI and GCI will be operated by a 37 seat ER3

http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/articl...from-edinburgh

LOL...........