Loganair-2

[TartinTon]

Originally Posted by 4567

I’d imagine the links with Lufthansa and star alliance through BMI will be used as much as possible. As has been said the fares will be key but BRS has managed to sustain BMI well so hopefully the same can be done for Loganair.

Different AOCs and different companies. They won't be piggybacking on bmi's LH relationship.

[CabinCrewe]

Just because theyre on different AOCs does not mean BMIs links with LH cannot be taken advantage of.

[PapaEchoNovember]

Scottish operator Loganair has reported a pre-tax loss of £8.93m for the year to March 2018.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...iness-44633581

Seems like quite a risky maneuver to dip their toes into the European market using 145's given these losses. Probably also explains the delay in the new ATR aircraft.

[edi_local]

Was there not always inevitably going to be a loss in the first year they went solo?

[CabinCrewe]

Originally Posted by edi_local

Was there not always inevitably going to be a loss in the first year they went solo?

Yes, most of the losses were predicted
And has virtually nothing to do with consideration of ATR / fleet replacement.

[01475]

Given the nature of the battle with Eastern that they got into I'm surprised it's not worse! (Suspect it is for Eastern...)

[PapaEchoNovember]

Originally Posted by CabinCrewe

Yes, most of the losses were predicted
And has virtually nothing to do with consideration of ATR / fleet replacement.

Surely that finical hit must delay the fleet renewal plans, the first ATR was due to arrive in winter 17/18.

[virginblue]

Originally Posted by 01475

Given the nature of the battle with Eastern that they got into I'm surprised it's not worse! (Suspect it is for Eastern...)

It is all explained in the article:

Without the non-recurring items associated with the airline's former partner, Loganair would have recorded an underlying pre-tax profit of £2.95m. After the break-up with Flybe, Loganair spent £2.98m re-establishing its own brand and back-office functions. Delays in code-sharing agreements with new business partners cost a further £2.09m. But the biggest loss has been attributed to a price war with Flybe, estimated by Loganair to have cost it £6.8m

If the figures are correct, nothing to worry about as either one-off costs for establishing a stand-alone operation that were to be expected and costs associated with the price war with Eastern which is now over

[mullac30]

I wouldn't be surprised if the ERJs at Inverness turned out cheaper to run than the S2000s!

[ifu05596]

Jonathan Hinkles confirms on BBC Radio Shetland that the ATR42 will likely be the replacement for the SAABs (I think the presenter said 340s...) and could be seen as early as next year. He ruled out using 145s on the Sumburgh route saying they are unsuitable but did say they will be used on Stornoway.

[BAladdy]

Originally Posted by goldeneye

Link does not seem to work, but story is - https://www.scotsman.com/news/transp...utes-1-4759063

LM have started to update there S19 schedule. It appears that the 2 ER4’s being transferred from BM are to begin operating for LM from 01APR19. The aircraft are showing as both operating rotations to BEB, LDY and SYY from GLA from that date.

Benbecula

LM407 GLA 07:15 BEB 08:10 SF3 x67
LM407 GLA 10:50 BEB 11:45 ER4 6
LM409 GLA 15:00 BEB 15:55 ER4 7
LM409 GLA 16:00 BEB 16:55 SF3 x67

LM408 BEB 08:40 GLA 09:35 SF3 15
LM408 BEB 11:00 GLA 11:55 SF3 234
LM408 BEB 12:15 GLA 13:10 ER4 6
LM410 BEB 16:25 GLA 17:20 ER4 7
LM410 BEB 17:25 GLA 18:20 SF3 x67

Londonderry

LM207 GLA 08:00 LDY 08:50 ER4 6
LM207 GLA 10:00 LDY 10:50 ER4 6
LM207 GLA 14:05 LDY 14:55 ER4 135
LM209 GLA 19:00 LDY 19:50 SF3 45
LM209 GLA 19:00 LDY 19:50 ER4 7

LM208 LDY 09:20 GLA 10:10 ER4 6
LM208 LDY 11:25 GLA 12:15 ER4 7
LM208 LDY 15:30 GLA 16:20 ER4 135
LM210 LDY 20:20 GLA 21:10 SF3 45
LM210 LDY 20:20 GLA 21:10 ER4 7

Stornaway

LM470 GLA 07:00 SYY 07:55 ER4 x7
LM472 GLA 11:10 SYY 12:05 ER4 135
LM472 GLA 11:10 SYY 12:05 SF3 246
LM474 GLA 13:00 SYY 13:55 ER4 7
LM476 GLA 13:50 SYY 14:45 ER4 6
LM476 GLA 15:00 SYY 15:55 ER4 x67
LM476 GLA 16:00 SYY 16:55 ER4 7
LM478 GLA 18:00 SYY 18:55 ER4 x67

LM471 SYY 08:25 GLA 09:20 ER4 x7
LM473 SYY 12:35 GLA 13:30 ER4 135
LM473 SYY 12:35 GLA 13:30 SF3 246
LM475 SYY 14:30 GLA 15:25 ER4 7
LM477 SYY 15:15 GLA 16:10 ER4 6
LM477 SYY 16:25 GLA 17:20 ER4 x67
LM477 SYY 17:30 GLA 18:25 ER4 7
LM479 SYY 19:25 GLA 20:20 ER4 x67

The BM ER4 currently based at INV to operate flights to BGO, DUB and MAN continues to operate S19

Further Changes are highly likely over the coming months

[ifu05596]

Does anyone know whether in theory the new agreements with KLM and Thomas Cook Airlines are eligble for ADS and if you depart from an airport that is exempt from APD the whole journey should not have APD (like the BA codeshare ones)? Looking at the websites there is no ADS option and it adds on all the APD as if they are just two standalone flights.

[edi_local]

Originally Posted by ifu05596

Does anyone know whether in theory the new agreements with KLM and Thomas Cook Airlines are eligble for ADS and if you depart from an airport that is exempt from APD the whole journey should not have APD (like the BA codeshare ones)? Looking at the websites there is no ADS option and it adds on all the APD as if they are just two standalone flights.

There dosn't seem to be any concrete information on the Loganair ADS page, but they have a way of contacting them for more info [email protected] or 0800 032 2890. They might know?

[SealinkBF]

This is from the ADS website... not entirely clear!

5. Does it apply to onward connections?

1.  
   • Only journeys to and from Inverness, Aberdeen, Bergen, Manchester, Glasgow and Edinburgh are included.

[edi_local]

Just thinking about this. Why would the APD not apply for onward connections?

I understand APD not applying for the initial 'lifeline' links between the highlands and islands and the mainland, but why should people not pay it on the onward legs?

[Navpi]

I agress with last poster. I can see an incentive re Highlands and Islands but not say Glasgow Manchester simply because they originated in eg Islay

[virginblue]

Originally Posted by edi_local

Just thinking about this. Why would the APD not apply for onward connections?

I understand APD not applying for the initial 'lifeline' links between the highlands and islands and the mainland, but why should people not pay it on the onward legs?

As waiving APD benefits all, whereas the ADS only applies to locals., maybe it is to incentivise travel TO those places? Or is the APD only waived for flights FROM those destinations?

[inOban]

Reading his post I assumed that if he books, say, Islay to Glasgow, he gets the discount. But if he books Islay to AMS, or to his TCX holiday he can't find a way to still get his discount on the first segment, which he should be able to do.

[ifu05596]

Originally Posted by inOban

Reading his post I assumed that if he books, say, Islay to Glasgow, he gets the discount. But if he books Islay to AMS, or to his TCX holiday he can't find a way to still get his discount on the first segment, which he should be able to do.

Correct Islay - Heathrow on BA.com has a with and without ADS price that discounts the Islay to Glasgow leg (not Glasgow to Heathrow). Doesn't seem to be so for TCX or KLM.

On APD - my understanding for example is that you can do for example Inverness-Heathrow-New York for example and pay less APD than say Glasgow-Heathrow-New York and that people will actually position to Inverness to take advantage of this (saves a few hundred pounds if flying club world). When you try and do the equivalent on say KLM via Glasgow I thought the originating airport would determine the APD for the whole journey but seems not.

[BAladdy]

Does anyone know when Loganair might announce what European cities it plans to serve with the ER4’s joining the fleet for S19?. I have heard that BRU will almost definitely be one of the routes announced and have heard rumours of flights to CPH.