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Old 27th Aug 2019, 21:00
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Originally Posted by BA318 View Post
@SeanM1997 has posted on twitter quite a few Loganair reductions. I'm reposting here along with a link to his twitter.

Inverness to Dublin 7w -> 3w from 27th Oct
Aberdeen to Esbjerg 11w -> 6w from 27th Oct
Aberdeen to Bristol 12w -> 6w from 27th Oct
Glasgow to Donegal 5w -> 3w from 4th Nov
Glasgow to Dusseldorf 7w -> 6w -> 4w -> 3w reduction from 14th Oct to 2nd Dec
Glasgow to Derry 5w -> 4w from 30th Oct
3 weekly is the normal winter freqency for INV-DUB. I'd imagine all of these frequencies will return come S20.
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 08:54
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News article covering pending seasonal reductions and also speculation that some reductions are due to low demand.

https://www.businesstraveller.com/bu...changes-ahead/
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 08:56
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It's picking up the same rubbish from Twitter last week which was based on inaccurate info. Amazing how this stuff goes around, and you'd have thought that something which aspires to have credibility would do a better job than lifting this straight off a Twitter feed without checking it.
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 09:41
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 17:12
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Originally Posted by scodaman View Post
News article covering pending seasonal reductions and also speculation that some reductions are due to low demand.

https://www.businesstraveller.com/bu...changes-ahead/
I wouldn't be surprised if they dropped the seasonal summer service from Bournemouth to the Channel Islands as load factors were around 42% this year, on their first season!

But it's not the routes fault, it's the total lack of advertisement by Loganair and the airport.. I live in Dorchester and only know of this service via PPRuNe and the local spotters group...
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 17:28
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Any guesses on what these new routes may be?

I would definitely say Dundee-London City as one of them.
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 17:34
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Originally Posted by Plane mad 134 View Post
Any guesses on what these new routes may be?

I would definitely say Dundee-London City as one of them.
There are rumours of Newcastle to Oslo and to Bergen. We'll wait and see, though...
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 18:20
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Would be nice if they took over Cardiff to Glasgow and Cardiff to Newcastle!
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 18:27
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It would be great to see Loganair pick up the GLA-CWL-GLA service, the EM4 aircraft would be ideal on this route.

Not too sure they would consider CWL-NCL though
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 18:28
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Originally Posted by Plane mad 134 View Post
Any guesses on what these new routes may be?

I would definitely say Dundee-London City as one of them.
Canít see that being likely. Iíd imagine they will go to Southend and consolidate it with their other routes. I donít think Dundee is a particularly business heavy route.

They would have to use an E135 or Saab to LCY as the E145 isnít certificated.
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 18:31
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Is Glasgow Knock a possibility?
It was a bmiregional route before if my memory serves me right. Might be worthwhile 2 or 3 weekly certainly seasonly. Shannon alternatively.
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 19:05
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Originally Posted by BA318 View Post


Canít see that being likely. Iíd imagine they will go to Southend and consolidate it with their other routes. I donít think Dundee is a particularly business heavy route.

They would have to use an E135 or Saab to LCY as the E145 isnít certificated.
Is the SAAB 340 certificated for LCY ?????
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 19:21
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Originally Posted by fjencl View Post
Is the SAAB 340 certificated for LCY ?????
According to Wikipedia they the Saab 340 can operate into LCY
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 19:23
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Originally Posted by fjencl View Post
Is the SAAB 340 certificated for LCY ?????
not sure. The 2000 definitely is. Some posts online say the 340 can operate but I canít recall any previous operators.

edit: I found a post copying from the LCY Consultative Committee website which says the Saab340 can operate. From 2008, this was the list:

ATR 42
BAe 146/Avro RJ family
Jetstream 41
DHC Dash 7
Bombardier Q Series/DHC Dash 8
Dornier Fairchild 228
Dornier Fairchild Do328
Dornier Fairchild Do328 Jet
Embraer 135
Fokker 50
Fokker 70
Saab 340
Saab 2000
Shorts 360-300

Approved business jets...

BE20 Beechcraft 200
BE9L Beechcraft 900
BE58 PA Beechcraft Baron
C90/C90A Beechcraft
B300 Beechcraft
Beech 400A
Hawker 800 XP
C510 (Citation Mustang)
C550 (II) (Citation II)
C560 (Citation V)
C525 CJ1 (Citation Jet 1)
C525 CJ2 (Citation Jet 2)
C525 CJ3 (Citation Jet 3)
C550 (Citation Bravo)
C56X (Citation Excel)
EMB 135BJ (Legacy)
FA900B (subject to individual ability to complete public transport factored landing distances)
FA10 (Falcon 10)
FA50 (Falcon 50)
F7X (Falcon 7X)
F900EX (Falcon 900EX)
Bombardier Challenger 605 (CL60)
Learjet 45 (LJ45)
PA34 (Seneca)
PA31 (Navajo)
P180 (Piaggio Avanti)
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 20:23
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Is Glasgow Knock a possibility?
It was a bmiregional route before if my memory serves me right. Might be worthwhile 2 or 3 weekly certainly seasonly. Shannon alternatively.
So a former BMIR route that they haven't picked up already? Might be a bit of a clue there.
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 20:49
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Expect itíll be another direct hit on some Eastern/Flybe routes - likely out of Aberdeen.
Wonder if weíll see a Teesside base with flights to Aberdeen and (probably part funded) to Southend
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 21:21
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The contacts director at RCA has mentioned continued work on getting a LDY-Midlands service re-established (as recent as 28/08/19 on a recent radio interview.)

In other news it appears as though Loganair have leased YL-RAI (ATR 72-202F) from RAF-Avia. I presume this is due to near introduction of their own ATR fleet.
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Old 4th Sep 2019, 03:58
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Originally Posted by fjencl View Post
Is the SAAB 340 certificated for LCY ?????
I should think so, considering Saab 340's have landed on the very steep and challenging Elba Airport in Italy on a 949m runway
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Old 4th Sep 2019, 17:23
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Originally Posted by mmeteesside View Post
Expect itíll be another direct hit on some Eastern/Flybe routes - likely out of Aberdeen.
Wonder if weíll see a Teesside base with flights to Aberdeen and (probably part funded) to Southend
Sadly, I can't imagine Loganair being in the market for more bases. Especially English ones. As perfect as MME would be for me, I can't see it happening. I would have thought the best chance for a new Loganair base would be DSA, given the opportunities open to them following flyBe pulling out. Still, this is fantasy. Any more routes and airports will probably be serviced remotely from their northern UK bases.

I see the NCL-ABZ is now running. Direct competition between Loganair and Eastern Airways. Just minutes apart too. I spoke with a dispatcher in ABZ today who commented that the Loganair jets are already taking more passengers than their Eastern Airways counterparts. Surprising, given the NCL-ABZ route hasn't even been going a week. I also took the opportunity to speak to a few crew. EA crews have been told that Loganair's numbers will eventually dwindle and the route will be too thin to operate jets on. Loganair crews seem to think their cheaper fares and better reliability will bring the passengers. All in all, it should be an interesting few months for both Loganair and Eastern.
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Old 4th Sep 2019, 17:32
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Originally Posted by Rottweiler22 View Post
Sadly, I can't imagine Loganair being in the market for more bases. Especially English ones. As perfect as MME would be for me, I can't see it happening. I would have thought the best chance for a new Loganair base would be DSA, given the opportunities open to them following flyBe pulling out. Still, this is fantasy. Any more routes and airports will probably be serviced remotely from their northern UK bases.

I see the NCL-ABZ is now running. Direct competition between Loganair and Eastern Airways. Just minutes apart too. I spoke with a dispatcher in ABZ today who commented that the Loganair jets are already taking more passengers than their Eastern Airways counterparts. Surprising, given the NCL-ABZ route hasn't even been going a week. I also took the opportunity to speak to a few crew. EA crews have been told that Loganair's numbers will eventually dwindle and the route will be too thin to operate jets on. Loganair crews seem to think their cheaper fares and better reliability will bring the passengers. All in all, it should be an interesting few months for both Loganair and Eastern.
Interesting to hear that LMís flights from ABZ to NCL are already carrying more passengers than T3. It will be interesting to see if both LM and T3 plan to continue to operate up to 3 x daily when they release there S20 schedules.
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