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Old 19th Feb 2019, 11:19
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Originally Posted by fanrailuk
Not sure you can use the "run one down" as this doesn't seem to have been the case, on the face of things at least - more like "run them out".

And also the fact that they announced taking over the flybmi aircraft, ABZ routes and set-up a whole new crew base in NCL within 24hrs...

All seems very orchestrated...and terribly convenient.
My thought entirely, fanrailuk. I've got a lot of time for Loganair but, watching my words carefully, it does not appear that this is a case of one company folding and another company recovering from their surprise to fill the gap that they didn't know was going to exist 48 hours earlier.
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 11:40
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Loganair actually operated GLA-LBA until about two years ago. I think they walked away around about the same time they were having a tiff with their ex-FlyBe masters and wanted the LBA Saab for some sabre-rattling elsewhere.
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 16:18
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Loganair are also advertising for crew for new bases at Bristol, Chester, East Midlands, Newcastle and Londonderry.

I am guessing that the recruitment of crew to be based at BRS and CEG means that LM are expecting to take over the Airbus corporate shuttle. They must also be confident that they are going to be awarded the LDY PSO since they are recruiting for a base in LDY.
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 17:50
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They're already operating the Airbus contract albeit presumably on emergency tender?
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 19:52
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Originally Posted by mmeteesside
They're already operating the Airbus contract albeit presumably on emergency tender?
Looks like they are only operating the Airbus flights until Friday. The ER3 will then return to operating flights from INV on Saturday and the ER4 will return to service in GLA on Sunday

The 2 leased ATR will continue to operate for LM until the end of the day on Friday. The Nordica AT7 out of INV and the DOT AT4 from GLA.
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Old 20th Feb 2019, 18:15
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Originally Posted by BAladdy
Loganair are also advertising for crew for new bases at Bristol, Chester, East Midlands, Newcastle and Londonderry.

I am guessing that the recruitment of crew to be based at BRS and CEG means that LM are expecting to take over the Airbus corporate shuttle. They must also be confident that they are going to be awarded the LDY PSO since they are recruiting for a base in LDY.
Almost like it was pre-planned.......
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Old 20th Feb 2019, 20:04
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Be interesting to see how they do on NCLBRU seeing as they will get no help from SN on the codeshare. As a non-IOSA carrier they aren't able to qualify for codeshare with any Star alliance carrier.....but I'm sure they've factored that in to the business case......
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Old 21st Feb 2019, 16:19
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Without the SN Brussels Airlines codeshare, I wouldn't be surprised if the route will struggle. SN provides the connecting flights for onward travel.
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Old 21st Feb 2019, 16:37
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LDY operations
STN begins 27th February 2x Daily ERJ145
MAN begins 24th March 6x weekly (excl Saturday) ERJ145
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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 09:43
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Loganair are on a roll at the moment !!

Great news for all concerned

Are they leasing the ex flybmi planes?
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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 09:56
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Be interesting to see how they do on NCLBRU seeing as they will get no help from SN on the codeshare.
Apologies if I've lost track, but was the final iteration of NCL-BRU a code share?. I thought SN dropped it and them flybmi picked it up in their own right?
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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 21:20
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I hope it is that Loganair are on a roll! What is the situation with the ex BMI planes? Is the ownership structure such that AIL might be under pressure to find homes for them?
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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 21:28
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Originally Posted by 01475
I hope it is that Loganair are on a roll! What is the situation with the ex BMI planes? Is the ownership structure such that AIL might be under pressure to find homes for them?
G-RJXE has been operating for Loganair under the T3/BE contract as of today.
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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 22:44
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Originally Posted by Fly757X
G-RJXE has been operating for Loganair under the T3/BE contract as of today.
I saw that, it is shown as part of the Loganair fleet on FR24.
G-SAJB/C both flew back to Glasgow and Inverness tonight. Will they need replacements for Bristol - Toulouse? Be interesting to see what happens on Sunday / Monday.
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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 22:51
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
Apologies if I've lost track, but was the final iteration of NCL-BRU a code share?. I thought SN dropped it and them flybmi picked it up in their own right?
Was a codeshare for at least the last 4 years
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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 23:09
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Originally Posted by Rob Royston
I saw that, it is shown as part of the Loganair fleet on FR24.
G-SAJB/C both flew back to Glasgow and Inverness tonight. Will they need replacements for Bristol - Toulouse? Be interesting to see what happens on Sunday / Monday.
I’d assume the former BMR fleet will start to come online now in the next while, LDY-STN is to start on Wednesday on what I assume will be G-RJXB as it never left LDY after BMR’s demise.
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Old 23rd Feb 2019, 15:34
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Any chance of LM picking up some of the boat-load of South American E-Jets that are about to come on the second-hand market? Avianca are already retiring their 10 E190, and Azul are about to replace all their E1s with the E2. It could be a cheap source of aircraft which they could well need as most ex-flyBMI ERJs are over 20 years old and will probably need replacing at some point. Also, despite the fact that they are cheaper to run than the S2000 (which probably isn't saying much), they are not very cheap aircraft to run. There is also the benefit of higher capacity which could be used on many of LMs new routes like GLA-DUS and they could also use them on trunk routes like INV-MAN with reduced frequency to free up the a/c for other routes.
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Old 23rd Feb 2019, 15:58
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RJXD positioned to EMA last night after being in NCL for nearly a week.
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Old 23rd Feb 2019, 16:47
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Originally Posted by ib26uk
Loganair are on a roll at the moment !!
Yes and great to see. But I seem to recall reading on here somewhere not so long ago that the last time Loganair expanded into all sorts of non-Scottish markets they got their fingers seriously burned. Let's hope this time's different.
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Old 23rd Feb 2019, 17:36
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Originally Posted by NorthSouth
Yes and great to see. But I seem to recall reading on here somewhere not so long ago that the last time Loganair expanded into all sorts of non-Scottish markets they got their fingers seriously burned. Let's hope this time's different.
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Their last non-core expansion was new routes from scratch in then uncharted territory for LM. This time they are taking on relatively well established routes where they will have all the data and insight. Given how cautious they normally are, they should be ok.
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