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Old 20th Nov 2018, 17:54
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Originally Posted by VickersVicount
Mention on CH Aviation of LC supplementing their Saab 340 fleet... I thought they were looking for ATRs?
Unfortunately to read the article in question requires a pro membership. Anyone on been able to read it yet?. They were looking at the ATR as part of a fleet modernisation. With 48 seats the ATR42 would be a perfect replacement for the S2000’s that are planned to be phased out by early 2020. Not sure how good a replacement the ATR42 would be for the SF3. 14 extra seats per flight might be to many for some routes.

Maybe supplementation of the SF3 will be through adding more SF3’s in the short term?


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Old 20th Nov 2018, 18:15
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The headline makes it sound much grander than the reality. It's just a 340 in from an Estonian mob for short-term C Check cover and Christmas extra capacity - so a month or so.
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Old 20th Nov 2018, 18:25
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I believe that the last ch aviation article stated Q3 2019 for the first ATR 42 delivery, not sure it it's new or used though. Final 340 phased out after 2025.

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Old 21st Nov 2018, 17:31
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HUY-JER announced today for summer Saturdays 2019


https://twitter.com/JERairport
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Old 21st Nov 2018, 19:17
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HUY-JER announced today for summer Saturdays 2019


https://twitter.com/JERairport
Flights have been on sale for a couple of months now. The service is being operated by a 49 seat ER4
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Old 29th Nov 2018, 23:58
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According to a Shetland News interview with the Chief Operations Officer at Loganair, the airline could be on the verge of placing an order for 20 ATR 42s, with delivery over the period of 2019-2024, (unless they are sourcing them second hand). I think this is the first time we've seen anything set in stone for fleet replacement, and would see the entire Saab 340/2000 fleet replaced by 2025.

My guess for the fleet composition in 2025:
- X2. BN e-Islander
- X3 DHC 6 400
- X4 ATR42F
- X16 ATR42S
- X5 ERJ135
- X10 ERJ145

Loganair could possibly reduce 7 basic fleet types down to 4.

Overall fleet size would be around 40 by my guess depending on the success of international services.
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Old 30th Nov 2018, 09:22
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It would appear that HOP are getting rid of all their ATR's soon!
8 by 2019 and 6 in 2020.

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Old 30th Nov 2018, 09:25
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Mullac30: This is good news. When will it become official?

I would also encourage them to look at a few ATR-72's - they would be similar in terms of trip costs as the SF-2000, but can carry up to 28 more pax - hence lower fares would be possible.
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Old 30th Nov 2018, 09:41
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Takes out the popcorn and start watching the show

Originally Posted by mullac30
According to a Shetland News interview with the Chief Operations Officer at Loganair, the airline could be on the verge of placing an order for 20 ATR 42s, with delivery over the period of 2019-2024, (unless they are sourcing them second hand). I think this is the first time we've seen anything set in stone for fleet replacement, and would see the entire Saab 340/2000 fleet replaced by 2025.

My guess for the fleet composition in 2025:
- X2. BN e-Islander
- X3 DHC 6 400
- X4 ATR42F
- X16 ATR42S
- X5 ERJ135
- X10 ERJ145

Loganair could possibly reduce 7 basic fleet types down to 4.

Overall fleet size would be around 40 by my guess depending on the success of international services.
I am really sorry, but the airline of Scotland breaking into "new" markets is hardly a positive thing, W paterns and just some summer work... for me that are flags of warning...

Also as for any carrier going from "old" "owned" to new build fleet, on their fixed costs this will be such an increase, hope their variable cost will be lower... but fixed cost need to be paid evry month.. again again and again...

Do wish them best as tehy are a great outfit... to compare them with Highland Airways you cant I know, but they went out of the Highlands too to look for the promised land...
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Old 30th Nov 2018, 09:56
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The article doesn't say the ATR's will be new build.
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Old 30th Nov 2018, 10:52
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
The article doesn't say the ATR's will be new build.
Yes we dont even know what variant they will be, but there are benefits to new build 600s such as short field performance packs and the new AR landing system for low cloud and fog that Aurginy are getting.
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Old 30th Nov 2018, 10:56
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Originally Posted by harriewillem
I am really sorry, but the airline of Scotland breaking into "new" markets is hardly a positive thing, W paterns and just some summer work... for me that are flags of warning...

Also as for any carrier going from "old" "owned" to new build fleet, on their fixed costs this will be such an increase, hope their variable cost will be lower... but fixed cost need to be paid evry month.. again again and again...

Do wish them best as they are a great outfit... to compare them with Highland Airways you cant I know, but they went out of the Highlands too to look for the promised land...
The W patterns to Jersey and Guernsey are just to get higher utilisation on the NWI based jets as they make more sense to fly frequently than the Dorniers that they replace.
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Old 2nd Dec 2018, 11:35
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Looks like ATR 42 will be the future for Loganair.

https://www.shetnews.co.uk/2018/11/2...-revamp-fleet/
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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 07:04
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Originally Posted by ETOPS
Looks like ATR 42 will be the future for Loganair.

https://www.shetnews.co.uk/2018/11/2...-revamp-fleet/
Well, if you are a regional airline today and are looking for new aircraft in the 30-40 seat range without being inclined to shop in the antiques section, it is the ATR42 or nothing. So hardly surprising and long rumored..

As for HOP! frames becoming available, they mainly operate ATR72s and only a handful or so ATR42.
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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 08:29
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Originally Posted by virginblue
Well, if you are a regional airline today and are looking for new aircraft in the 30-40 seat range without being inclined to shop in the antiques section, it is the ATR42 or nothing. So hardly surprising and long rumored..

As for HOP! frames becoming available, they mainly operate ATR72s and only a handful or so ATR42.
Well, that’s not entirely true. There is still Brazilia available.
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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 10:27
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Well, that’s not entirely true. There is still Brazilia available.

Embraer stopped building Brasilias in 2001!
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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 12:24
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Originally Posted by mullac30
According to a Shetland News interview with the Chief Operations Officer at Loganair, the airline could be on the verge of placing an order for 20 ATR 42s, with delivery over the period of 2019-2024, (unless they are sourcing them second hand). I think this is the first time we've seen anything set in stone for fleet replacement, and would see the entire Saab 340/2000 fleet replaced by 2025.

My guess for the fleet composition in 2025:
- X2. BN e-Islander
- X3 DHC 6 400
- X4 ATR42F
- X16 ATR42S
- X5 ERJ135
- X10 ERJ145

Loganair could possibly reduce 7 basic fleet types down to 4.

Overall fleet size would be around 40 by my guess depending on the success of international services.
I'd be surprised if they are still using ERJ135/145s in 2025... they will be a bit long in the tooth by then! If the ERJ experiment works, i can see them upgrading to 175s by then, either that or ditching them and sticking with the ATRs.
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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 20:46
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Originally Posted by Jerbourg
Embraer stopped building Brasilias in 2001!
Not exactly. They stopped “serial” production but they still can make them on individual orders.
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Old 5th Dec 2018, 00:37
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Airways magazine report that the ATRs will be brand new 42-600s
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Old 5th Dec 2018, 11:04
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How many seats does a brand new 42-600 have, or is that carrier specific
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