Aurigny Air Services-2

[bmaviscount]

Originally Posted by Borntoflywillfly

https://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2...exeter-routes/

most 0dd and aurigny will compete on the guernsey sectors?

[Gurnard]

Aurigny CEO interviewed at the weekend stated a reduction of flights on the GCI-LGW route. GR602/3 and GR608/9 are being discontinued - for the time being. These are the ATR72 flights which presumably means that an aircraft becomes available to operate the new routes from Guernsey to Birmingham and Exeter.

[Nuweiba]

More madness from the top brass of Aurigny… yes, cut the flights if there is a drop in pax due to corona, ( though they can no longer blame the Heathrow route )… but launching Birmingham four days a week on exactly the same days of the week that they already fly to East Midlands ? And at 26 quid fares one way compared to EMA 100 quid plus fares ??

Flybe served Birmingham and Exeter from a shared Jersey / Guernsey service and they offered interline onward connections.... Aurigny have none of that.... and BI will also be flying to Birmingham and East Midlands !

A recipe for more major financial losses !

[bean]

Combined capacity from Gci and Jer to Bhx on two daily q400 flights 156
Combined capacity with two airlines on the dsys they both fly to Bhx 136 based on an At7
Ema was operated in tandem by both Flybe and Aur for many years
Ema daily capacity from Jer has reduced with Blue islands from 78 to 68 sinced they took over the route from Flybe some time ago.
Minus 25 out of 10 for research!!!

[bean]

Who are Blueislands interlining with???

[bean]

Originally Posted by kcockayne

Well. I will say it again. There is a reason that the Exeter & Birmingham to C.I. routes have been operated for so long as a joint service (50 years in the case of Exeter); that is because of the limited potential to make profits on them if they were to one island only - particularly Guernsey. For that reason, I was surprised to see that AUR are only going to operate them from Guernsey.

Jusy spotted your post on this matter
Apart from the recession in the early 80s Exeter Jersey was a stand alone route continuing as such with Air Uk until 1998.
When JEA took the route on they covered it with twice dsily sheds. Combined dsily capacity ftom both airlines 72 as opposed to Air UK 52 from Jersey alone
If you had access tothe facts uou would see thst in 1988 on Saturdays Air Uk operated a service eith an f27 which routed Stn Gci Ext Jer Ext Gci Stn.
So not exactly a combine service over 50 years!!!

[kcockayne]

Time may well be playing tricks with my memory, however, I well remember that from the late 50s onwards Jersey Airlines operated from Exeter using DC3s (later Heralds) serving the route on a triangular basis (Exeter/Guernsey/Jersey) , more or less daily in the winter ; & in the summer, daily during the week with a “stand alone” Jersey service at the weekend. Later, AUK operated on much the same basis. As far as I remember, there was not a “stand alone” service to Guernsey on a prolonged basis - if ever. I would not claim infallibility on this point, but the point I was trying to make was that Guernsey - Exeter is not “a money spinner” operated “stand alone”. And, certainly not with another airline operating in competition. It is possible that there have been occasions over this length of time when Jersey was not involved in the route (I am not sitting here poring over old timetables) but, having been in Jersey ATC from 1978 until 2007, I cannot recollect any great length of time when the route was “stand alone” to Guernsey. It is my contention that this largely continued to be the case after Jersey European took over the route. Again, there may have been some flights not involving Jersey, but not often , & not for long. Just looking at your citation of the AUK Stansted- Guernsey - Exeter - Jersey - Exeter - Guernsey - Stansted service ; by your own statement, this was only operated on a Saturday in the summer of 1988. As such, this is not a great endorsement that direct return services have been very frequent , or very much in demand on a prolonged basis. But, I would admit that you might be correct with the information that you have provided - although, I do not consider that it makes a very great contribution to the debate. Have you anything more substantial ?

[bmaviscount]

Originally Posted by bean

Jusy spotted your post on this matter
Apart from the recession in the early 80s Exeter Jersey was a stand alone route continuing as such with Air Uk until 1998.
When JEA took the route on they covered it with twice dsily sheds. Combined dsily capacity ftom both airlines 72 as opposed to Air UK 52 from Jersey alone
If you had access tothe facts uou would see thst in 1988 on Saturdays Air Uk operated a service eith an f27 which routed Stn Gci Ext Jer Ext Gci Stn.
So not exactly a combine service over 50 years!!!

I remember the sheds by JEA
They even offered a quasi business class with free food and drink called premiere class :-)

[Ayline]

I guess time time will tell as to whether a direct service will work however here are a few of my thoughts. The Flybe service from Birmingham to Guernsey was twice daily on weekdays with Flybe whereas the new service is only once a day on the days when it does operate so I guess the number of seats that were available to Guernsey passengers with Flybe will not be hugely different going forward although it is difficult of course to know how many Flybe passengers were destined for Guernsey rather than Jersey. There may also be the option in the winter time or perhaps on certain days of the week to operate a triangular service with Eastmidlands as happened yesterday due to the poor weather conditions. If this were to happen then Guernsey might benefit from a daily service to both destinations on a year round basis. I recall BMA operating EMA-BHX-GCI-BHX-EMA during lean times. I suppose a combined Bristol and Exeter service might also be an option. It might not be appealing to passengers but might be one way of maintaining regular services especially now with the Coronavirus.

[kcockayne]

You’ve got a few sensible points there, Ayline. The reduction in service levels might help to make the routes viable. Let’s hope so.

[Expressflight]

Ayline

I think your suggestion that Aurigny should consider operating 'triangular' routes at this time of lean traffic levels is very sensible. There have to be attempts to think outside the normal operational box in the current situation. Other airlines might be wise to study their own route networks to see if something similar would be commecially viable.

[Nuweiba]

Originally Posted by bean

Combined capacity from Gci and Jer to Bhx on two daily q400 flights 156
Combined capacity with two airlines on the dsys they both fly to Bhx 136 based on an At7
Ema was operated in tandem by both Flybe and Aur for many years
Ema daily capacity from Jer has reduced with Blue islands from 78 to 68 sinced they took over the route from Flybe some time ago.
Minus 25 out of 10 for research!!!

The Jersey market is twice as large as the Guernsey market. Fact. When was the last Flybe East Midlands - Guernsey flight ?? The Corona virus has decimated air travel if you have not noticed. Blue Islands, like Aurigny, now have no interline agreements : what was the percentage of passengers connecting through Birmingham onto the Guernsey flight ? 10 % ?? More ??

Yes.... in normal healthy days with the demise of Flybe, it might be worthwhile to look at Birmingham ( if BI don't ), but not these days and not on the same days of the week !

[Egda]

As Blue Islands announce Exeter - Manchester Service Aurigny should consider a Southampton -Manchester service

https://www.blueislands.com/flying-w...ts-to-continue

[Sotonsean]

Originally Posted by Egda

As Blue Islands announce Exeter - Manchester Service Aurigny should consider a Southampton -Manchester service

https://www.blueislands.com/flying-w...ts-to-continue

Why should Aurigny want to overstretch themselves by starting a Southampton to Manchester service especially since Eastern Airways have backfilled the former Flybe route by starting a double daily service already. Do they even have any available aircraft to do so.

Eastern Airways have done an excellent job in backfilling some of the former Flybe routes from Southampton. Aurigny are not in the same position to do so and why should they.

There's no room for two operators on Southampton to Manchester.

Blue Islands starting Exeter to Manchester is just replacing Flybe, that's the reason they are doing so.

[virginblue]

Why should an airline owned by the Bailiwick of Guernsey operate domestic flights in England, given that the airline is not profitable and needs to be propped up with taxpayer money?

[Egda]

Originally Posted by virginblue

Why should an airline owned by the Bailiwick of Guernsey operate domestic flights in England, given that the airline is not profitable and needs to be propped up with taxpayer money?

To make it more profitable!!!, not sure Eastern are in great health

[Sharklet_321]

Originally Posted by Sotonsean

Why should Aurigny want to overstretch themselves by starting a Southampton to Manchester service especially since Eastern Airways have backfilled the former Flybe route by starting a double daily service already. Do they even have any available aircraft to do so.

Eastern Airways have done an excellent job in backfilling some of the former Flybe routes from Southampton. Aurigny are not in the same position to do so and why should they.

There's no room for two operators on Southampton to Manchester.

Blue Islands starting Exeter to Manchester is just replacing Flybe, that's the reason they are doing so.

I would also question the logic of EXT-MAN. It worked (did it work???) for Flybe because they offered connections. Majority of those pax were connecting.

[Nuweiba]

Let us not consider new routes... let the existing airlines survive the current crisis without over-stretching themselves needlessly... not all have the comfort of unlimited financial government backing.

For those not from GCI and who have not seen the latest news from the island...

https://guernseypress.com/news/2020/...-any-symptoms/

https://guernseypress.com/news/2020/...wed-to-cancel/

Let's be realistic about the situation at the moment... air travel is being decimated at the moment and things will get worse before getting better.

Now is not the time to dream of new routes !

[kcockayne]

Originally Posted by Nuweiba

Let us not consider new routes... let the existing airlines survive the current crisis without over-stretching themselves needlessly... not all have the comfort of unlimited financial government backing.

For those not from GCI and who have not seen the latest news from the island...

https://guernseypress.com/news/2020/...-any-symptoms/

https://guernseypress.com/news/2020/...wed-to-cancel/

Let's be realistic about the situation at the moment... air travel is being decimated at the moment and things will get worse before getting better.

Now is not the time to dream of new routes !

That is what it is like in Guernsey: yet, in Jersey the Government are insisting that people should continue to go on holiday , & fly. So, who is right? And, is this not the whole tragedy of this farcical situation ? - no one knows what they are doing ! "Fiddling while Rome burns" comes to mind ?

[nohold]

I notice that the Embraer 195 (G-NSEY) is stretching her legs today (24th March 2020).

Over London as AUR222P at FL290, heading northeast 11:50.

...Norwich next?