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Old 10th Nov 2019, 10:19
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With the most fertile imagination in the world, you could not make up the script for AUR’s current saga ! Nor could you ever imagine the complete ineptitude of the States of Guernsey’s attempts at running an airline & subsidizing it’s competitors operations , whilst expecting their own airline to make a profit. The whole issue is a complete farce !
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Old 2nd Dec 2019, 19:10
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Interesting to see that Aurigny has applied for 56 weekly slots at LHR, https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/up...PORT-FINAL.pdf (page 4)
but have been turned down. The only way this route will work is to have an airline that has an alliance of some sort to give travellers onward connectivity - Virgin Connect (if they stay on the GCI/LHR route) are the only option. This is another money wasting exercise by Aurigny management who seem to want all the London market for themselves and is not what their owners the GCI public want at all.
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Old 2nd Dec 2019, 22:18
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Originally Posted by Jerbourg
Interesting to see that Aurigny has applied for 56 weekly slots at LHR, https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/up...PORT-FINAL.pdf (page 4)
but have been turned down. The only way this route will work is to have an airline that has an alliance of some sort to give travellers onward connectivity - Virgin Connect (if they stay on the GCI/LHR route) are the only option. This is another money wasting exercise by Aurigny management who seem to want all the London market for themselves and is not what their owners the GCI public want at all.
What money has been wasted? A slot application is just an email, nothing more.
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Old 3rd Dec 2019, 10:26
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Pretty sure GCI-LHR would work on point to point alone to be fair, just make sure there's a LHR premium charged to make sure the margin are possible. Self connecting is becoming more popular, any code share would be a plus, but I suspect the local market would be strong on it's own. It would however likely cannibalise LGW to some extent.
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Old 3rd Dec 2019, 11:19
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Is this the first time they have applied? I would assume that they do this as a matter of routine, given that LHR slots are akin to a treasure cove.
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Old 3rd Dec 2019, 11:26
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Very interesting indeed - especially as Aurigny, in their anti-Flybe Heathrow rhetoric, were allegedly claiming that they had offered the States of Guernsey to also run the Heathrow route if given a subsidy, ( reportedly 2 m quid a year ).

How can they propose that - if they had no chance of getting slots ! Because looking through that list, I can see that hardly anyone got extra slots !
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Old 8th Jan 2020, 15:36
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Aurigny currently have 5 ATR's in the fleet. Even with the 195 in for maintenance, this leaves more than enough aircraft to operator their full schedule.

Any idea why they have chartered in an additional ATR which is flying the LGW flight at the moment. Surely this isn't going to help their ever increasing debts.
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Old 8th Jan 2020, 16:59
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Do they really have to worry about their "ever increasing debts" ?
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Old 8th Jan 2020, 19:03
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ATR72 SE-RDA has been leased to cover for G-NSEY which went to Norwich on Sunday evening, presumably for maintenance.
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Old 8th Jan 2020, 20:16
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Originally Posted by jijpc
ATR72 SE-RDA has been leased to cover for G-NSEY which went to Norwich on Sunday evening, presumably for maintenance.

They have enough of their own ATR's without getting in another one (unless some of them are off line). Whenever I look at their schedules, there is never more than 4 aircraft flying at one time (excluding the dorniers) so why do they need to pay out for a 6th ATR?
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Old 8th Jan 2020, 22:21
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Originally Posted by jijpc
ATR72 SE-RDA has been leased to cover for G-NSEY which went to Norwich on Sunday evening, presumably for maintenance.
SE-MDA, not SE-RDA.
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Old 9th Jan 2020, 18:58
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A friend told me that there were three Aurigny ATR's sat on the ground this afternoon (2 x 72 1 x 42) the leased example was flying to/from LGW.
Aurigny currently have one more ATR in the fleet than at the beginning of December G-OGFC arrived to replace G-VZON which is still in service so I do not think that the leased ATR is to cover the Embraer which is away on maintenance. If I was a betting man I'd place my money on ATR crew shortages.

If there are any GR bods reading this they may like to comment....
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Old 10th Jan 2020, 17:00
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As an ATC bod they were all at Gatwick due to the weather in Guernsey. I think they were all ATR72s of various types.
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Old 10th Jan 2020, 17:49
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Originally Posted by jijpc
ATR72 SE-RDA has been leased to cover for G-NSEY which went to Norwich on Sunday evening, presumably for maintenance.

Yes she with us at NWI undergoing heavy maintenance with KLM UK Engineering, nice catch for us up here cheers

any chance of the new ATRs appearing at LGW 11th be nice as i,m popping south for a trip



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Old 10th Jan 2020, 18:23
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Pretty good chance - as they comprise most of the fleet, now.
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Old 11th Jan 2020, 20:46
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Blue Islands...Guernsey-Jersey & Southampton
Relating to the Blue Islands thread this week, but I'll post it here as it relates directly to Aurigny...
Noted this week, some of the inter-island flights as well as GCI-SOU have been operated by Dornier a/c (G-LGIS). Wonder how pax reacted to this instead of the usual ATR42 or 72? One thing is clear: Aurigny are not selling many seats on the routes if flights can be downgraded to Do.228. Comments on the Blue Islands thread indicate generally good loads on the GCI-SOU route with an ATR72 fairly full. The GR Dornier by contrast has 18 seats.
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Old 11th Jan 2020, 22:15
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Originally Posted by Gurnard
Blue Islands...Guernsey-Jersey & Southampton
Relating to the Blue Islands thread this week, but I'll post it here as it relates directly to Aurigny...
Noted this week, some of the inter-island flights as well as GCI-SOU have been operated by Dornier a/c (G-LGIS). Wonder how pax reacted to this instead of the usual ATR42 or 72? One thing is clear: Aurigny are not selling many seats on the routes if flights can be downgraded to Do.228. Comments on the Blue Islands thread indicate generally good loads on the GCI-SOU route with an ATR72 fairly full. The GR Dornier by contrast has 18 seats.
I have always thought it bonkers them both operating 50 plus seaters on these routes

The Dorniers are ideal for a higher frequency service , especially inter- island There is nothing mid morning or mid afternoon JER GCI or back
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Old 11th Jan 2020, 22:37
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The airlines would say that is because there is no demand at those times.
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Old 12th Jan 2020, 07:38
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I guess the leased ATR and the use of the Dornier 228 on Guernsey-Jersey is down to a lack of ATR crew due to the Embraer being away on maintenance and the ATR crew having to operate all Gatwick flights.
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Old 12th Jan 2020, 08:49
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Not a bad guess !
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