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Old 17th Jul 2019, 11:05
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Aurigny could use their Embraer 195 jet or as previous posters have stated the ATR72 can be operated into and out of Heathrow. It just needs careful management of approach and climb out speeds.


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Is there any information available how many passengers on the LHR flights are actually connecting via LHR to/from another destination (and if so, to/from a destination not available at LGW). I would supsect the percentage of connecting passengers is rather low, gven the frequency of the BE flight, so that the whole exercise looks more like a vanity project. Generally, it makes a lot of sense to concentrate on high frequencies from LGW instead of spreading operations between two large London airports. If at all, a low frequency, low fare service from another London airport - such as the Aurigny service to STN - makes senses that targents a different clientele.
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Old 17th Jul 2019, 15:26
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I suspect the subsidy would have been given to Aurigny if they had an aircraft capable of using Heathrow
Is there an issue with the ATR72 at LHR? Hop used them as slot sitters in recent years, and flybe DHDs are now remarkably common.
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Old 17th Jul 2019, 15:50
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
Is there an issue with the ATR72 at LHR? Hop used them as slot sitters in recent years, and flybe DHDs are now remarkably common.
DH8Ds are Category C now from what I've heard and seen at Dublin. ATRs are still only B, however, exceptions can be made.
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Old 29th Jul 2019, 10:37
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The approach speeds into LHR for the Q400 are very similar to narrowbody jets so this is why they are so compatible with LHR
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Old 3rd Aug 2019, 18:42
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Flew the GCI LHR this week

Really took me back to the Air UK days

Lovely to ser the Dash 8 compete with the big jets

We were however delayed 3 hours due to the Dash going tech

Chatting to 2 business guys who had come to GcI for the day; couldn't understand why there were no direct European flights from the channel islands these days

Surely GR could do at least a daily GCI JER CDG?

(ir maybe better Flybe with AF codeshares)

The feeling was that Aurigny were just trying to preserve their gatwick route which is not brilliant for connections

I hope flybe keep the LHR route into the winter

Im trying the SEN route in a couple of weeks ; I can’t imagine the loads are very high on that

I do note that Blue Islands have improved their GCI JER LCY connectivity for the winter timetable
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Old 3rd Aug 2019, 20:41
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Originally Posted by bmaviscount

The feeling was that Aurigny were just trying to preserve their gatwick route which is not brilliant for connections
The Guernsey - Stansted route has supposedly been under review for a very long time now, even before the Southend and Heathrow routes were announced,

I noticed in the latest Gatwick slot report for Winter 2019 that they had applied (and were turned down) for another weekly slot pair (presumably to bring GR602/ 603 flights up to daily like all the other are.

The interesting thing would be how many people have they taken away from their own Gatwick service by starting up Southampton (where the flight prices seem to be generally cheaper than their LGW prices as they are trying to take passengers off Blue Islands) - it won't be huge numbers but it's probably a factor in their Gatwick figures being down a little although not as big a factor as the Heathrow service which I really hope stays around
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Old 3rd Aug 2019, 21:50
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Originally Posted by bmaviscount
Im trying the SEN route in a couple of weeks ; I can’t imagine the loads are very high on that
Why not? It had a JER route even before the new terminal was there and the current incarnation with EZY seems to be going strong.

The CAA figures for first few days of operation in May were reasonable. I’ve heard it’s been doing OK generally, although not sure about yield as there seem to have been various promotions.
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Old 4th Aug 2019, 05:32
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Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1


Why not? It had a JER route even before the new terminal was there and the current incarnation with EZY seems to be going strong.

The CAA figures for first few days of operation in May were reasonable. I’ve heard it’s been doing OK generally, although not sure about yield as there seem to have been various promotions.
I flew outbound from SEN to GCI recently. 27 pax including me. Not good given that we are in the peak holiday season.
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Old 4th Aug 2019, 07:03
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Originally Posted by asdf1234
I flew outbound from SEN to GCI recently. 27 pax including me. Not good given that we are in the peak holiday season.
The load factor for June was 46% unless there were any cancelled flights I'm not aware of. There seems to have been a large increase in capacity on GCI-LON this year and the decision to fly GCI-SEN daily seemed strange to me.
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Old 4th Aug 2019, 08:48
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Originally Posted by Expressflight
The load factor for June was 46% unless there were any cancelled flights I'm not aware of. There seems to have been a large increase in capacity on GCI-LON this year and the decision to fly GCI-SEN daily seemed strange to me.
I agree that a daily service GCI-SEN is probably to much, especially with the new LHR-GCI service as well. I would have thought 3/4 times weekly on the SEN route would have been enough for the Summer. What is more crazy is that Blue Islands is intending to continue the GCI-SEN throughout the winter at the same daily frequency, unless they change their mind a lot of money will be lost on that and also on the Aurigny GCI- STN service. I do believe that Blue Islands is trying to get Aurigny to drop that route, lets hope they have got deep pockets, time will tell.
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Old 4th Aug 2019, 12:27
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Originally Posted by aurigny72
I agree that a daily service GCI-SEN is probably to much, especially with the new LHR-GCI service as well. I would have thought 3/4 times weekly on the SEN route would have been enough for the Summer. What is more crazy is that Blue Islands is intending to continue the GCI-SEN throughout the winter at the same daily frequency, unless they change their mind a lot of money will be lost on that and also on the Aurigny GCI- STN service. I do believe that Blue Islands is trying to get Aurigny to drop that route, lets hope they have got deep pockets, time will tell.
I think there is definitely a business need for a daily flight however the timings from SEN are not attractive for the business user. I try and avoid Aurigny as much as possible (even flying LGW - JER and then JER - CGI return and finally back to LGW) as I find Aurigny overpriced and unreliable. Blue Islands would need to do a double daily from SEN to dislodge Aurigny.
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Old 4th Aug 2019, 20:47
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Aurigny r not umreliable, they just try to fly all timetabled flights to the advertise destination despite the delays rather than cancel at the drop of hat.



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Old 4th Aug 2019, 21:32
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Originally Posted by Expressflight
The load factor for June was 46% unless there were any cancelled flights I'm not aware of. There seems to have been a large increase in capacity on GCI-LON this year and the decision to fly GCI-SEN daily seemed strange to me.
I have tried, in previous posts, to explain that Channel Island routes are not money spinners. In particular, Guernsey routes are marginal. This load factor & the personal experience of another poster just go to prove this supposition. There has been a large increase in capacity this year (EGLL & EGMC). Together, this adds c120 seats per day. It is generally not possible to fill anywhere near all of these seats. The demand is simply not there ; as is also the case with the LOG Bournemouth service. Consequently, Blue Island are highly unlikely to add a second daily ‘MC flight. There is much complaining in Guernsey at the lack of routes to the island , & the lack of a LCC. Until there is a significant increase in demand (& usage) of existing services & airlines, there can surely be no further increase in services & destinations ; or of a reduction in fares provided by a LCC.
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Old 5th Aug 2019, 19:48
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Well said kcockayne, sums up the situation perfectly.
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Old 5th Aug 2019, 20:03
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Originally Posted by Jerbourg
I'm hearing whispers that STN is to be dropped from the schedule, if this is true it seems that maybe the new Flybe & Blue Islands routes to LHR & SEN have eaten away at the passenger loads..
Any more whispers jerbourg about STN being dropped?
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Old 6th Aug 2019, 15:33
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No nothing, I got the info from an Aurigny insider so seemed genuine.
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Old 19th Aug 2019, 06:57
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Take it back the SEN flight was packed last Friday!
Great airport to depart from
Check un lady said it had been popular with a mix of business and leisure
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Old 19th Aug 2019, 09:45
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Jethros indicates that the first new ATR is due this month. Any news of when this may be?
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Old 19th Aug 2019, 18:42
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Originally Posted by bmaviscount
Take it back the SEN flight was packed last Friday!
Great airport to depart from
Check un lady said it had been popular with a mix of business and leisure
Pleased to hear that. Let’s hope that they keep it up.
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