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Old 17th Sep 2018, 20:20
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G-OMAF returned to Oberpfaffenhofen today.
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 13:23
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The BBC in the Channel Islands have announced today that Aurigny will stop their Dinard Flights from Guernsey in 2019 stating

The company's board said it based its decision on three key factors:

A lack of demand on the Dinard route in 2018, with under 1,500 bookings, representing a load factor of less than 50%
An 80% decline in passenger numbers over the last 10 years
A need to focus the Dornier resources on the Alderney operation and service levels required by the Public Service Obligation, should Aurigny be successful

Mark Darby, Aurigny's CEO is quoted as saying, "This is not a decision the board has taken lightly, but unfortunately, it just no longer makes commercial sense for us to operate the route. Of course, the way is open for another operator to operate the route should they believe that it would be viable."
So what was the point in the Dorniers? the Alderney route is being tendered, the planes have been late, cost a fortune, leading to the huge losses and now the route is abandoned.
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 18:24
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No need to worry. With “Open Skies” now operating there should be no lack of airlines “champing at the bit” to operate the route ; & the possible runway extension will allow them to operate larger a/c & lower the fares !
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 20:16
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Aurigny does nothing to promote DNR so this is sadly not a surprise, I doubt many Guernsey folk even realise there's a link to France.
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Old 27th Oct 2018, 16:09
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We have discussed before ( several times) the total failure of Aurigny to promote such routes. Yet another one is killed off by their apathy.
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Old 27th Oct 2018, 17:54
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I suppose that if you are operating a route carrying a max. of 150 pax per week, that it doesn't rank very highly in your priorities. Having said that, it is pretty pointless offering services which you do very little to sell !
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Old 21st Nov 2018, 11:19
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I wonder why G-OAUR's tail and rudder have been removed.

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Old 21st Nov 2018, 12:13
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Originally Posted by Hermite View Post
I wonder why G-OAUR's tail and rudder have been removed.


[img]http://www.aurignycam.com/aurignycam/gciwestapron.jpg?Wed%20Nov%2021%202018%2011:16:02%20GMT+0000 %20(GMT)
That Dornier 228 looks intact to me?
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Old 21st Nov 2018, 13:25
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Originally Posted by Jersey32D View Post
That Dornier 228 looks intact to me?
The rudder and horizontal stabilisers are missing.
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Old 1st Dec 2018, 16:03
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Does anyone have any idea what has happened to G-OAUR? It hasn't been out for around a month now, and was last seen on webcam (at least by me) on 21 November with rudder and horizontal stabilisers missing.
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Old 1st Dec 2018, 16:15
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Does anyone have any idea what has happened to G-OAUR? It hasn't been out for around a month now, and was last seen on webcam (at least by me) on 21 November with rudder and horizontal stabilisers missing.
Saw GOAUR on ramp outside AN hangar yesterday 30/11 on webcam with all white rudder and horizon stabs.
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Old 1st Dec 2018, 17:13
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Originally Posted by cobopete View Post

Saw GOAUR on ramp outside AN hangar yesterday 30/11 on webcam with all white rudder and horizon stabs.
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Thanks for the info. I wonder what was wrong with the originals - I don't suppose rudders and horizontal stabalisers are replaced that often.
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Old 2nd Dec 2018, 03:45
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Thanks for the info. I wonder what was wrong with the originals - I don't suppose rudders and horizontal stabalisers are replaced that often.
If either have bearings,then perhaps bearings replaced.
Just my thoughts. Perhaps an engineer can confirm if there is bearings in either.
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Old 15th Dec 2018, 11:37
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Guernsey government agreed (yesterday 14Dec) to becoming guarantor for 46M loan for Aurigny to purchase 3new ATR 600 fitted with “ClearVision” fog busting” IR HUD to replace current ATR. First delivery August next year other 2 before next Xmas. Studies showed purchase to be more cost effective than lease.

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Old 15th Dec 2018, 17:33
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Studies showed purchase to be more cost effective than lease.
And yet almost every major carrier consider leasing to be the more cost effective option .....
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Old 15th Dec 2018, 18:33
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Originally Posted by snchater View Post


And yet almost every major carrier consider leasing to be the more cost effective option .....
The States of Guernsey often have different ideas.
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Old 15th Dec 2018, 18:43
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I understand it had a lot to do with the terms ATR were prepared to offer for Aurigny to be the lead customer for their new technology - possibly because the islands provide an ideal place and conditions to show off its benefits!
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The independant consultants engaged to study the options available estimated leasing cost of an ATR600 to be 130,000 a month per aircraft. You do the sums!

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Old 15th Dec 2018, 19:15
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Originally Posted by snchater View Post


And yet almost every major carrier consider leasing to be the more cost effective option .....
Are you sure that this is true? Looking at G-INFO, most seem to have a mix of leased and owned. I can understand leasing for a short term requirement, but for an a/c required in the long term, how can paying the leasor who has to buy the a/c and also make a profit be cheaper than buying the a/c themselves and not contributing to a leasor's profits?
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Old 15th Dec 2018, 19:44
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I forgot to take into account that COBO and VZON have part exchange value of approx $16 million making the “buy” deal even better for Aurigny.

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I note that while GNSEY was down earlier this week awaiting part for repair, two Titan Airbus A320 GPOWK and GPOWM were leased to operate the Gatwick route. Does anyone know what PAX number restrictions are applied to allow them to operate in and out of GCI?
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