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Old 11th Aug 2019, 00:45
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Originally Posted by pabely
Do you mean Iceland (Reykjavik) or Ireland? WOW tried and failed!
The A321XLR means they can go direct from Eastern Europe to US East Coast.
Expect Wizzair from.their big regional operations to I'd guess LaGuardia or those that Norwegian used to use.
Boston perhaps , also Iceland to pick up the business that Wow did used to pull in .
Can't just have Icelandair as a monopoly.
Wizz seems to be changing from beyond just ferrying eastern European people between the UK and Poland .
Doncaster and Moldova was about as far from expected as my suggestion big At Petersburg, but with Timisoara being so stunning and Debrechen, they are being marketed by the airport as Tourist destinations, so I don't think St Petersburg can be on the never list .
Folk have said never - before about Flybe for example ' won't base too close to other bases', but they did and despite closing are still staying on .
The point is Wizzair seem to have just picked out tourist ' gens' and made bases, and opened at the other end in the UK regions .
Long may it continue..
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 15:29
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Originally Posted by EGPO
Expect Wizzair from.their big regional operations to I'd guess LaGuardia or those that Norwegian used to use.
Boston perhaps , also Iceland to pick up the business that Wow did used to pull in .
Can't just have Icelandair as a monopoly.
Wizz seems to be changing from beyond just ferrying eastern European people between the UK and Poland .
Doncaster and Moldova was about as far from expected as my suggestion big At Petersburg, but with Timisoara being so stunning and Debrechen, they are being marketed by the airport as Tourist destinations, so I don't think St Petersburg can be on the never list .
Folk have said never - before about Flybe for example ' won't base too close to other bases', but they did and despite closing are still staying on .
The point is Wizzair seem to have just picked out tourist ' gens' and made bases, and opened at the other end in the UK regions .
Long may it continue..
If we see an increased presence at Iceland then we could see this, remember Indigo, Wizzairs parent would have been all over WOWs books at one time which would have been useful data. Alot of US leisure like the idea of a couple of days in Iceland on the way to Europe. I'm sure Icelandair will have competition again soon.
Frontier Airlines are also building up a presence on the East Coast........
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 16:46
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I fly Wizzair a lot, the days of lots of new routes and lots of passengers to Eastern Europe are long gone, with Brexit they are they unlikely to return. This why I have done a £18 return fare to Krakow from Luton when Ryanair were £130 from Stn and Easyjet were £190 from Lgw.

This week Thursday - FR 3 flights from Stn to KRK (2 sold out) 2 seats remaining @ £186, Wizz - £81, Easy - £134.

Indigo partners like every PE backers will want a big payday, big question is when will they get it from Wizzair.

I don't see them doing TA anytime soon.
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Old 12th Aug 2019, 07:26
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Originally Posted by racedo
I fly Wizzair a lot, the days of lots of new routes and lots of passengers to Eastern Europe are long gone, with Brexit they are they unlikely to return.
From the U.K. perhaps, but that is hardly the case for the rest of Europe.

Looking at recent Wizz Air financial reports, they seem to be doing something right and growing profits when most others including Ryanair are struggling.
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Old 12th Aug 2019, 11:54
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Originally Posted by 1sky
From the U.K. perhaps, but that is hardly the case for the rest of Europe.
Looking at recent Wizz Air financial reports, they seem to be doing something right and growing profits when most others including Ryanair are struggling.
Think you need to get realtisic

Wizzair carried 10 million people in Q1, Ryanair do that and more per month.
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Old 12th Aug 2019, 21:20
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Originally Posted by racedo
Think you need to get realtisic

Wizzair carried 10 million people in Q1, Ryanair do that and more per month.
Wizz Air is an airline with 115 aircraft and is the 8th largest European carriers according to Q1 figures (or 6th if you Aeroflot and Turkish): bigger than SAS, Alitalia, Finnair. They have strong brand recognition in the still growing CEE market where other LCCs are struggling, and claim to have profitable Western European bases in LTN and VIE. I also see fewer big uncontrolled or uncontrollable egos in senior management roles. What is there to get realistic about?
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Old 12th Aug 2019, 21:28
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Originally Posted by 1sky
Wizz Air is an airline with 115 aircraft and is the 8th largest European carriers according to Q1 figures (or 6th if you Aeroflot and Turkish). They have strong brand recognition in the still growing CEE market where other LCCs are struggling, and claim to have profitable Western European bases in LTN and VIE. I also see fewer big uncontrolled or uncontrollable egos in senior management roles. What is there to get realistic about?
It is coming from a small base. It has very small brand recognition in the UK and mid August while Ryanair has sold out its tickets from London to Krakow, Wizz are on sale for half the price with available tickets.

CEE income levels are low an while as a % they will grow they will still be low and reain so.

Ukraine was the big untapped market everyone piling in to BUT its Expat population in summer are visiting home, come mid Sept the fares and yields will be on the floor.

I like them and probably done 40-50 flights with them in last couple of years but long term growth is limited.
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Old 12th Aug 2019, 22:22
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Originally Posted by racedo
Ryanair has sold out its tickets from London to Krakow
Surely not... what dates?
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Old 12th Aug 2019, 22:43
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Originally Posted by VickersVicount

Surely not... what dates?
I picked this week and looked yesterday as a starting point, earliest FR avail was Thurs, Wizz was avail all week, U2 was Mon, Wed, Thurs as they don't fly Tues.
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Old 13th Aug 2019, 10:32
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Maybe but we also need to look at price and demand to give an idea of how airlines compay... in which case, Wizz seems to stand up pretty decent against the obvious competition....

one-way next Wednesday, all available direct flights that day

LTN-KRK (WZZ 2X DAILY) - £13
LTN-KRK (RYR 1X DAILY) - £14
LTN-KRK (EZY 1X DAILY) - £39
STN-KRK (RYR 2X DAILY) - £22

Hardly any runaway successes there. looks like an over supply in the market but is expected...

how about other routes?

LTN-BUD (WZZ 4X DAILY) - £22
STN-BUD (RYR 2X DAILY) - £13

and how about none eastern Europe.... the med?

LTN-TLV (EZY 2X DAILY) - £116
LTN-TLV (WZZ 1X DAILY) - £118
LTN-TLV (ELAL 1X DAILY) - £175
STN-TLV (EZY 1X DAILY) - £170

Wizz seems to be in the same place as all the other carriers to me based on those examples above!
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Old 13th Aug 2019, 13:14
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Any company can sell out flights if they price them cheap enough. Ryanair have admitted they’ve had to bring down fares to lower than they’d like in order to compete.

If I sold £10 notes for £5, I’d probably sell out too.
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Old 13th Aug 2019, 13:58
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Ryanair have some issues with yield management recenty as they are quite freequently sold out for several days. They try to much to achieve highest load factors. In comparison Norwegian was not sold out even during SAS strike selling last seats for 800 eur one way for one hour sectors for those who really needed to fly. But neverless Ryanair last minute prices are higher than Wizz Air, Wizz pricing algorithm more often leaves more seats for last minute bookings and then they sell them cheaper - Wizz Air usualy has price peak a few weeks or even a month before a flight. But Wizz Air more consequently uses last year average (or typical) price for the same day same route to set advance prices (for flights many months away, having them usually higher than competition).
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Old 13th Aug 2019, 14:00
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Originally Posted by nwoody2001
Maybe but we also need to look at price and demand to give an idea of how airlines compay... in which case, Wizz seems to stand up pretty decent against the obvious competition....

one-way next Wednesday, all available direct flights that day

LTN-KRK (WZZ 2X DAILY) - £13
LTN-KRK (RYR 1X DAILY) - £14
LTN-KRK (EZY 1X DAILY) - £39
STN-KRK (RYR 2X DAILY) - £22

Hardly any runaway successes there. looks like an over supply in the market but is expected...

how about other routes?

LTN-BUD (WZZ 4X DAILY) - £22
STN-BUD (RYR 2X DAILY) - £13

and how about none eastern Europe.... the med?

LTN-TLV (EZY 2X DAILY) - £116
LTN-TLV (WZZ 1X DAILY) - £118
LTN-TLV (ELAL 1X DAILY) - £175
STN-TLV (EZY 1X DAILY) - £170

Wizz seems to be in the same place as all the other carriers to me based on those examples above!
I did Stansted and Gatwick as the competing airports for Luton.

All Ryanair and Easyjet have done is make sure Wizz will not have high fares at Luton on Krk route.
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Old 13th Aug 2019, 15:38
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As stated earlier in the discussion, Wizz Air’s pricing strategy is quite different to Ryanair with the former normally dropping prices on the last few seats to be sold. Wizz Air has recently become much more load factor aggressive.

I am not sure the KRK example above is representative of most of its network. In fact, Wizz Air faces far less direct (and even indirect) competition than Ryanair and EasyJet.

CEE incomes may be lower but they are increasing, with more potential for growth in propensity to travel than in traditional Western European markets. There may be a seasonal dimension to some of this travel, but the same can be said for many Ryanair/Easyjet operations in Spain, Portugal, Italy, Cyprus, etc,

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Old 13th Aug 2019, 18:50
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An example is Ryanair and Wizz Air operations the Bulgarian Black Sea coast. Burgas and Varna are 130km apart, have similarly sized local catchment areas and passenger demographics (but with Burgas generating double Varna’s peak summer inbound tourism), and are run by the same operator - Fraport Twin Star.

Wizz Air launched a one aircraft Varna base in July 2017 with a sensible set of routes: Dortmund, Eindhoven, Larnaca, Bergamo, Memmingen and Tel Aviv, alongside Luton which was previously operated. This was supported by a heavy investment in local marketing in the local media, billboards, Bulgarian speaking crew, and an attempt to appeal to the market.

Ryanair launched a one aircraft Burgas base in March 2018 with a somewhat eclectic set of routes consisting of Bratislava, Dusseldorf, Hahn, Krakow, Kaunas, Memmingen, Bergamo, Riga, Rzeszow, Tel Aviv, Warsaw Modlin. Milan, Tel Aviv and the German routes made sense, but no one really believed the flights to Poland, Latvia and Lithuania could be sustained year around. Ryanair relied on Fraport marketing support to put up a few billboards around Burgas but not much else.

The Ryanair base was quietly closed in October 2018. Meanwhile, Wizz Air has added a second aircraft to its Varna base with additional frequencies to Memmingen/Luton and a few new destinations Beauvais, Berlin, Cologne, Copenhagen, Hamburg, and Liverpool.
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Old 22nd Aug 2019, 11:23
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6 New Routes from VIENNA (2 new 321 A/C)

Athens DEC 19
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Cologne / Bonn DEC 2019
London / LTN JULY 2020
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Originally Posted by fjencl
I wonder if in time they will open bases in the UK, at the moment only Luton is a UK base.
It would be good if they opened a base at Liverpool, relieve to FR / Easyjet dominance .
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Old 22nd Aug 2019, 14:33
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If the flights from SEN are a sucsess then maybe the might look at SEN as a possible base
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Old 22nd Aug 2019, 16:03
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If the flights from SEN are a sucsess then maybe the might look at SEN as a possible base
The flights to Luton were a success. 14 years later, they opened a base.....
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And now Ryanair announce they will start 5x weekly to Bucharest and 3x weekly to Vilnius. Am I missing something as to why?
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