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The only contract to be lost would be SN codesharing on BMI's flights. The "contract" or wet lease was ended last year when BM took on the route themselves and SN sold the flight as a codeshare. A number of benefits were then lost to customers as it was under BM's terms. This could well have resulted in a loss of demand on the route which SN want to recover. Also WX are using SSJ's for SN which SN really aren't happy with. It could be that the RJ's are returning to replace the SSJ and there's been a shuffle in where these aircraft are to be used.
If demand on the route did drop, it may be a mutual decision, given that BM have transferred some aircraft the Loganair.
If demand on the route did drop, it may be a mutual decision, given that BM have transferred some aircraft the Loganair.
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That's a remarkable situation for SN to be in - to wind back fleet after such a big event of retiring the RJs.
I was on BRS-BRU evening flight recently and it was 45/48 pax, so almost fully loaded..
I guess if SN are going to go in the EW direction, that means consistently offering easyJet level fares, and that does mean having lower cost per passenger seat kilometer, and I guess more inventory. That could be the change driver.(although still not sure that the RJ is lower cost per seat than the Emby, but I could be wrong).
It does also give real-life data point to BM's consistent claims to be looking at larger aircraft but it never quite materialising. If they couldn't justify a larger aircraft in this situation, I'd be surprised if it is going to be driven by other routes.
I was on BRS-BRU evening flight recently and it was 45/48 pax, so almost fully loaded..
I guess if SN are going to go in the EW direction, that means consistently offering easyJet level fares, and that does mean having lower cost per passenger seat kilometer, and I guess more inventory. That could be the change driver.(although still not sure that the RJ is lower cost per seat than the Emby, but I could be wrong).
It does also give real-life data point to BM's consistent claims to be looking at larger aircraft but it never quite materialising. If they couldn't justify a larger aircraft in this situation, I'd be surprised if it is going to be driven by other routes.
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Correct me if I am wrong but I don't think anyone is suggesting that SN is bringing back RJs into their own fleet, merely that they are wet-leasing CityJet RJs. Some of the press coverage I've seen talks about the SSJs being replaced by CRJs so it could well be that CityJet is providing the Avros for Summer 19 as an interim solution (since they have aircraft/crew available) until enough CRJs and crew are available.
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The only contract to be lost would be SN codesharing on BMI's flights. The "contract" or wet lease was ended last year when BM took on the route themselves and SN sold the flight as a codeshare. A number of benefits were then lost to customers as it was under BM's terms. This could well have resulted in a loss of demand on the route which SN want to recover. Also WX are using SSJ's for SN which SN really aren't happy with. It could be that the RJ's are returning to replace the SSJ and there's been a shuffle in where these aircraft are to be used.
If demand on the route did drop, it may be a mutual decision, given that BM have transferred some aircraft the Loganair.
If demand on the route did drop, it may be a mutual decision, given that BM have transferred some aircraft the Loganair.
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Just to put a little more oil on the SN RJ-85 discussion, GDS is now showing the SN operating flight as AR8, and the BM codeshare as operated by an A320.
So which do you believe?
So which do you believe?
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It’s about ten miles north of Lisbon Airport on the West Bank of the Tagus .You fly over it when landing from the North and it’s home for the Portuguese Hercules transports
There are several airfields around the periphery of Lisbon; Cascais, Sintra, Alenquer and Montijo in addition to Portela (Humberto Delgado) the main airport.
Landing at Lisbon from the south is one of my favourite approaches at any European capital
There are several airfields around the periphery of Lisbon; Cascais, Sintra, Alenquer and Montijo in addition to Portela (Humberto Delgado) the main airport.
Landing at Lisbon from the south is one of my favourite approaches at any European capital
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The cancellations on the PSO tax payer funded route LDY-STN-LDY service are happening far too often and are bordering on farcical.
Tonight's LDY-STN-LDY service was cancelled again. The pricing on the route is very high as it stands when compared to Belfast and cancellations do nothing for the reputation of Flybmi
Tonight's LDY-STN-LDY service was cancelled again. The pricing on the route is very high as it stands when compared to Belfast and cancellations do nothing for the reputation of Flybmi
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The cancellations on the PSO tax payer funded route LDY-STN-LDY service are happening far too often and are bordering on farcical.
Tonight's LDY-STN-LDY service was cancelled again. The pricing on the route is very high as it stands when compared to Belfast and cancellations do nothing for the reputation of Flybmi
Tonight's LDY-STN-LDY service was cancelled again. The pricing on the route is very high as it stands when compared to Belfast and cancellations do nothing for the reputation of Flybmi
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Five hours late now. They must be burning through their PSO money by blowing it all on compensation/hotels etc. The negative publicity in the NW isn’t helping them. The worst thing was a friend of mine was travelling on last night’s LDY-STN. All was apparently well up to half an hour before scheduled departure. Clearly they found a tech issue very last minute. Which is galling as the plane had been on the ground for the previous eight hours.
The cancellations on the PSO tax payer funded route LDY-STN-LDY service are happening far too often and are bordering on farcical.
Tonight's LDY-STN-LDY service was cancelled again. The pricing on the route is very high as it stands when compared to Belfast and cancellations do nothing for the reputation of Flybmi
Tonight's LDY-STN-LDY service was cancelled again. The pricing on the route is very high as it stands when compared to Belfast and cancellations do nothing for the reputation of Flybmi