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Old 5th Nov 2018, 20:05
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Originally Posted by dboy
So bmi must have lost the SN contracts.
The only contract to be lost would be SN codesharing on BMI's flights. The "contract" or wet lease was ended last year when BM took on the route themselves and SN sold the flight as a codeshare. A number of benefits were then lost to customers as it was under BM's terms. This could well have resulted in a loss of demand on the route which SN want to recover. Also WX are using SSJ's for SN which SN really aren't happy with. It could be that the RJ's are returning to replace the SSJ and there's been a shuffle in where these aircraft are to be used.
If demand on the route did drop, it may be a mutual decision, given that BM have transferred some aircraft the Loganair.
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Old 6th Nov 2018, 08:42
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RJs are returning in the short term - SSJs gone by March of course
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That's a remarkable situation for SN to be in - to wind back fleet after such a big event of retiring the RJs.

I was on BRS-BRU evening flight recently and it was 45/48 pax, so almost fully loaded..

I guess if SN are going to go in the EW direction, that means consistently offering easyJet level fares, and that does mean having lower cost per passenger seat kilometer, and I guess more inventory. That could be the change driver.(although still not sure that the RJ is lower cost per seat than the Emby, but I could be wrong).

It does also give real-life data point to BM's consistent claims to be looking at larger aircraft but it never quite materialising. If they couldn't justify a larger aircraft in this situation, I'd be surprised if it is going to be driven by other routes.
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Old 6th Nov 2018, 14:50
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Originally Posted by Bristol_Traveller
That's a remarkable situation for SN to be in - to wind back fleet after such a big event of retiring the RJs.
Correct me if I am wrong but I don't think anyone is suggesting that SN is bringing back RJs into their own fleet, merely that they are wet-leasing CityJet RJs. Some of the press coverage I've seen talks about the SSJs being replaced by CRJs so it could well be that CityJet is providing the Avros for Summer 19 as an interim solution (since they have aircraft/crew available) until enough CRJs and crew are available.
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Old 6th Nov 2018, 14:58
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BM’s ER3 G-RJXP doesn’t seem to have operated a flight for about 6 weeks now. Anyone know if the aircraft has been WFU?.
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Old 6th Nov 2018, 15:05
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Originally Posted by BAladdy
BM’s ER3 G-RJXP doesn’t seem to have operated a flight for about 6 weeks now. Anyone know if the aircraft has been WFU?.
Maintainence in Lisbon.
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Old 6th Nov 2018, 16:32
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Originally Posted by caaardiff
The only contract to be lost would be SN codesharing on BMI's flights. The "contract" or wet lease was ended last year when BM took on the route themselves and SN sold the flight as a codeshare. A number of benefits were then lost to customers as it was under BM's terms. This could well have resulted in a loss of demand on the route which SN want to recover. Also WX are using SSJ's for SN which SN really aren't happy with. It could be that the RJ's are returning to replace the SSJ and there's been a shuffle in where these aircraft are to be used.
If demand on the route did drop, it may be a mutual decision, given that BM have transferred some aircraft the Loganair.
BM also fly wet lease SN on other routes though. Last I checked BRU-SXB, BRU-HAJ, BRU-TRN.
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Old 6th Nov 2018, 17:28
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Originally Posted by Rumour_Jay
BM also fly wet lease SN on other routes though. Last I checked BRU-SXB, BRU-HAJ, BRU-TRN.
All those routes also now showing as operated by a RJ85 for S19.
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Old 6th Nov 2018, 18:56
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RJs are returning in the short term - SSJs gone by March of course
Sorry for any confusion WX RJs returning operating for SN.
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BMI using a RJ85 G-JOTR from Jota for LDY-STN-LDY today.
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Originally Posted by scodaman
BMI using a RJ85 G-JOTR from Jota for LDY-STN-LDY today.
How Ironic considering what was mention in this thread beforehand.
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Old 6th Nov 2018, 23:52
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Originally Posted by Fly757X


Maintainence in Lisbon.
Maintenance in Alverca....not Lisbon.

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Originally Posted by Morrihell
Maintenance in Alverca....not Lisbon.

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Cheers 👍🏽 Never knew it was even an airfield, will read up on it now!
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Old 10th Nov 2018, 20:04
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Just to put a little more oil on the SN RJ-85 discussion, GDS is now showing the SN operating flight as AR8, and the BM codeshare as operated by an A320.



So which do you believe?
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Old 11th Nov 2018, 13:28
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Originally Posted by Fly757X


Cheers 👍🏽 Never knew it was even an airfield, will read up on it now!
It’s about ten miles north of Lisbon Airport on the West Bank of the Tagus .You fly over it when landing from the North and it’s home for the Portuguese Hercules transports

There are several airfields around the periphery of Lisbon; Cascais, Sintra, Alenquer and Montijo in addition to Portela (Humberto Delgado) the main airport.
Landing at Lisbon from the south is one of my favourite approaches at any European capital
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Old 15th Nov 2018, 20:00
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The cancellations on the PSO tax payer funded route LDY-STN-LDY service are happening far too often and are bordering on farcical.

Tonight's LDY-STN-LDY service was cancelled again. The pricing on the route is very high as it stands when compared to Belfast and cancellations do nothing for the reputation of Flybmi
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Old 15th Nov 2018, 20:18
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Originally Posted by scodaman
The cancellations on the PSO tax payer funded route LDY-STN-LDY service are happening far too often and are bordering on farcical.

Tonight's LDY-STN-LDY service was cancelled again. The pricing on the route is very high as it stands when compared to Belfast and cancellations do nothing for the reputation of Flybmi
A/C is tech, another frame will position in tomorrow morning with the early rotation also affected.
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Old 16th Nov 2018, 12:16
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Originally Posted by Fly757X
A/C is tech, another frame will position in tomorrow morning with the early rotation also affected.

no new frame, XG now running 3.5hrs late
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Old 16th Nov 2018, 14:33
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Five hours late now. They must be burning through their PSO money by blowing it all on compensation/hotels etc. The negative publicity in the NW isn’t helping them. The worst thing was a friend of mine was travelling on last night’s LDY-STN. All was apparently well up to half an hour before scheduled departure. Clearly they found a tech issue very last minute. Which is galling as the plane had been on the ground for the previous eight hours.
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Old 17th Nov 2018, 08:12
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Originally Posted by scodaman
The cancellations on the PSO tax payer funded route LDY-STN-LDY service are happening far too often and are bordering on farcical.

Tonight's LDY-STN-LDY service was cancelled again. The pricing on the route is very high as it stands when compared to Belfast and cancellations do nothing for the reputation of Flybmi
Any data to back this up? I know FR24 isn't totally relaible, but a quick look shows about 4 days with significant disruption in the last three months
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