BMI Regional-3

[BAladdy]

The following BM and SN and LO flights normally operated by BM have been cancelled so far today.

BM1234/BM1233 - BRU-EMA-BRU
BM1501/BM1502 - LDY-STN-LDY
BM1741/BM1742 - MUC-BGY-MUC
BM1747/BM1748 - MUC-BGY-MUC
BM1771/BM1772 - MUC-LUZ-MUC
BM1801/BM1802 - BRS-ABZ-BRS
BM1911/BM1912 - KSD-JKG-FRA-JKG-KSD

SN2633/SN2634 - BRU-HAJ-BRU
SN3195/SN3196 - BRU-TRN-BRU

LO8821/LO8822 - ORB-CPH-ORB
LO8841/LO8842 - CPH-GRQ-CPH

[MerchantVenturer]

bmi regional cancelled five rotations at BRS yesterday (Sunday).

BM1825/BM1826 BRS-FRA-BRS
BM1863/BM1864 BRS-DUS-BRS
BM1847/BM1848 BRS-MUC-BRS
BM2007/BM2008 BRS-BRU-BRS
BM1837/BM1838 BRS-HAM-BRS

Four other rotations operated yesterday:

BM1845/BM1846 BRS-MUC-BRS
BM1885/BM1886 BRS-CDG-BRS
BM1807/BM1808 ABZ-BRS-ABZ
BM1827/BM1828 BRS-FRA-BRS

Today only BM1801/BM1802 BRS-ABZ-BRS has been cancelled as mentioned by BALaddy in #61. The other 14 BRS rotations seem to be operating today.

[stewyb]

I was told they are having crewing issues but would you honestly trust flying with this lot at present!!

[buzz_hornet]

The LDY one is a strange one. Its not as if they are not well rested. They arrive back at CoDA at 930pm, driven to the hotel 5mins away. Report for the 645am dep arr back at 1030 circa and then back to the hotel. Not forgetting its a PSO service

[Atlantic Explorer]

Buzz, you’ve clearly no idea about FTL scheduling. It’s a min 12 hour rest for based crew, so the late crew can’t do the early rotation without a significant delay to the service to keep them in legal hours to operate. I believe bmi have a 1 hour report time prior to departure as well.

[Harry Wayfarers]

Originally Posted by buzz_hornet

The LDY one is a strange one. Its not as if they are not well rested. They arrive back at CoDA at 930pm, driven to the hotel 5mins away. Report for the 645am dep arr back at 1030 circa and then back to the hotel. Not forgetting its a PSO service

So they arrive back at 2130, excuse me for suggesting that there are 24 hours in a day, then pax etc. need to be unloaded, post flight duties performed, that would put the crew off duty at 2200, plus 12 hours minimum rest period at home, next earliest report 1000 hours for an 1100 departure.

Depending how the FTL's are written the operator may be able to get away with an 11 hour rest period by putting the crew in a hotel, in that scenario next earliest report 0900 hours.

0645 departure, 0545 report, my butt, Atlantic Explorer is right!

[canberra97]

Originally Posted by Fly757X

It is only a single crew aswell. Morning flights occasionally go late too as if they slept in which I can understand.

Which you can understand!

How would feel if your very early morning flight that you managed to get to the airport for was delayed or cancelled just because the ''crew overslept'' would you be understanding then, I don't think so do you.

I can just hear the announcement now ''BMI are sorry to announce the delayed departure of the London Stansted flight due to the crew oversleeping we at BMI hope that you understand and it hasn't inconvenienced you in anyway'' just as one person speaks aloud ''yes I understand fully''.

[buzz_hornet]

Originally Posted by Atlantic Explorer

Buzz, you’ve clearly no idea about FTL scheduling. It’s a min 12 hour rest for based crew, so the late crew can’t do the early rotation without a significant delay to the service to keep them in legal hours to operate. I believe bmi have a 1 hour report time prior to departure as well.

no i dont, however a previous contributor explained that they can have a min 8 hr rest period, however i will bow down to those with experience

so if thats the case of a 12hr turnaround why have they scheduled a flight less then 12hrs after the previous?

[Atlantic Explorer]

Because a second crew will operate the early flights. I’ve no idea in this case why the early was cancelled, could be anything from crew sickness to crew being on days off with no replacement possible.

A schedule such as this will require 2 crews, one on earlies and one on lates.

[Cyrano]

In general this would either require a second crew or (times permitting) a split duty. I don't know which is the case here.

[buzz_hornet]

when i spoke with someone around this they mentioned the split duty as there was a long enough period between am and pm routes. like i say i can only go by what i was told and as has been pointed out by other posters ever so kindly i've no idea

[Harry Wayfarers]

All a split duty does, if achievable, is increasse the subseqent rest period ... I don't know the schedule but lets say they commence duty ay 1600, operate an evening rotation, take a split duty remaining on FDP until off duty the next morning at 1100, that's a 19 hour dury period requiring a 19 hour subsequent rest period and in my day they could only work 90 hours in a fortnight ... Would you like to borrow my calculator?

[buzz_hornet]

That's fine, take it easy. They have been operating on this method for close to a year.

Based on what has previously been mentioned.

Report 0545 (based on the mention of a 1hr report time)
Dep LDY 0645
Arr STN 0805

Dep Stn 0840
Arr LDY 0955

Back to the hotel

Report 1635
Dep LDY 1735
Arr STN 1845

Dep STN1925
Arr LDY 2045

[Harry Wayfarers]

If they do that day after day then they are operating illegally which I very much doubt!

[Fly757X]

canberra97

I stand corrected

[BAladdy]

Originally Posted by BAladdy

BM are dropping the ABZ-NWI sevice from 11FEB18.

Just noticed that BE’s website that there flights to NWI are showing as being operated by BMI Regional on behalf of Eastern Airways. It appears they have being doing this since they dropped the route and they are showing as operating the route through until the end of the S18 schedule.

[mathers_wales_uk]

Maybe slightly different for airlines however based on my calculation and using the times above

On duty 05:45 - Off Duty 21:30
Split start 10:30 - Split end 15:35

05:45 report time (Maximum Flight Duty Period for 4 sectors is 9 hours)
14:45 will be the latest the crew will be able to come off duty.
Split of 05:05 and a split credit of 02:32 (Maximum Allowable will now be 11:32)
The actual length of the duty day indicated above is well over this.

As another obstacle the minimum request required from one duty to the next is either 12 hours or the total length of the preceding duty (whichever is greater).

[Harry Wayfarers]

And blocks to blocks it wouldn't be 12 hours to allow a rest period, if at home base it would be 13.5 hours or if crew in a hotel 12.5 hours

[Harry Wayfarers]

buzz_hornet

That's 8 hours horizontal rest a.k.a. sleep, a minimum rest period of 11 or 12 hours is intended as travelling to/from, a meal or two, bathroom necessaries and 8 hours in bed.

Either that or 8 hours bottle to throttle

[Flightrider]

Quoting eight hours bottle to throttle in this day and age is misleading and irresponsible. Crew members' fitness to fly is determined by their blood alcohol limit and you could easily be well above the limit even if your last alcohol intake was more than eight hours before. The sooner that old mantra is erased from anyone's memory, the safer their future career in aviation will be. Thread drift in the extreme, but an important one.