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Old 22nd Mar 2020, 19:23
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Most of EIR is grounded next month.

EI are essentially turning into a cargo airline for next while maintaining core Euro/US routes and flying a lot of long haul aircraft to/from China.
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Old 22nd Mar 2020, 22:52
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I drove past Heathrow today having landed at Gatwick. Slow speed is no longer an issue!
Drove around M25 and into North London today......................... I have never seen such little traffic and so few people out and about. It was a spot the plane at Heathrow.

Very obvious looking at the sky how little is flying, only time I remember similar was 2010 with Icelandic volcano, that occasion driving up M40 on a Sunny day the only "aircraft" in the air was a couple of gliders.
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Old 31st Aug 2020, 08:11
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From The Irish Times, 31st Aug 2020

Aer Lingus may shift transatlantic services from Shannon to the UK as it continues to grapple with Government Covid-19 travel restrictions.

The Irish airline has two Airbus A321 long-range craft based at Shannon, normally used to fly from there to Boston, New York and London Heathrow, but which have been grounded since March.
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...e-uk-1.4342317

Cound EI continue to operate a UK-US service once the Brexit transition period completes at the end of the year?

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Old 31st Aug 2020, 09:05
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Originally Posted by Just a spotter
From The Irish Times, 31st Aug 2020


Cound EI continue to operate a UK-US service once the Brexit transition period completes at the end of the year?

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I don't really understand whats happening with regards to Brexit. Aer Lingus seam to be permitted to operate services from Belfast to Great Britain after the end of the year. (In other words UK domestic services). According to the internet Irish citizens who want to live and work in the UK after the end of the year can do so without a visa or anything. So maybe we are going back to the Common Travel Area days i.e. before the EU.

Before the United Kingdom joined the EU Aer Lingus did operate some services from GB to mainland Europe.

The question I would have is why would they want to start flying EDI etc to the USA now. I mean its not as if British Citizens can travel to the USA easily right now?

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Old 31st Aug 2020, 09:15
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From the look of it Aer Lingus are looking for something to do with 2 A.321LR's from Shannon. They must be pretty confident that they will be operate from the UK to the US or they wouldn't have kicked this off (or they would look to get them on a UK AOC?), but the response of the Americans could be interesting.

By seeking tenders, is this essentially contract flying for the airports approached? So looking at regional airports that had transatlantic services but have lost them/had them scaled back - MAN, BHX, EDI, GLA? Where else - CWL, LGW, STN? Would the 321LR be usable out of LTN, BRS?
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Old 31st Aug 2020, 09:20
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I can see MAN being the highest contender in order for IAG to compete with VS.
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Old 31st Aug 2020, 09:22
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Would EI to US from the UK work from a marketing perspective - I'm not so sure. Perhaps they'll be in BA colours. After all, the BA scope clauses have recently be confined to the bin. Could be BA operated by EI - Just a thought ??.
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Old 31st Aug 2020, 09:56
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NCL had UNITED to EWR for a couple of years
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Old 31st Aug 2020, 09:59
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And that went well. NCL has more important priorities.
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Old 31st Aug 2020, 10:21
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The Irish Times article indicates that the airports are bidding for the 2 aircraft NOT for Aer Lingus to set up s base. A subtle note but important as it could be on behalf of other carriers. They did the same with Little Red Virgins or whatever it was called.
As indicated by other posters the marketing could be an issue for EI.
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Old 31st Aug 2020, 10:30
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As indicated by other posters the marketing could be an issue for EI.
Wouldn't of thought so, EI is a pretty well known brand and whichever airport goes for it will no doubt be pushing hard. Hadn't thought of it, but would BFS be on the list?
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Old 31st Aug 2020, 10:42
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
Wouldn't of thought so, EI is a pretty well known brand and whichever airport goes for it will no doubt be pushing hard. Hadn't thought of it, but would BFS be on the list?
I could see EI being interested since the grant money that is there for long haul flights from BFS.
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Old 31st Aug 2020, 10:49
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With regard to nationality of airlines, IAG is "an anglo-Spanish business", Aer Lingus is registered in Ireland. How does anyone decide which airlines can fly by nationality when they've gone global? Virgin is almost 50% Delta (maybe more after recent restructuring) but people would call it British as long as it registered here. All seems pretty pointless unless you need to ban some airlines/countries on safety grounds.
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Old 31st Aug 2020, 11:28
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Originally Posted by Blackfriar
With regard to nationality of airlines, IAG is "an anglo-Spanish business", Aer Lingus is registered in Ireland. How does anyone decide which airlines can fly by nationality when they've gone global? Virgin is almost 50% Delta (maybe more after recent restructuring) but people would call it British as long as it registered here. All seems pretty pointless unless you need to ban some airlines/countries on safety grounds.
Tell that to the Americans."Nationality" will be determined in the licencing agreement between countries/group of countries.
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Originally Posted by camperdown9
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I don't really understand whats happening with regards to Brexit. Aer Lingus seam to be permitted to operate services from Belfast to Great Britain after the end of the year. (In other words UK domestic services). According to the internet Irish citizens who want to live and work in the UK after the end of the year can do so without a visa or anything. So maybe we are going back to the Common Travel Area days i.e. before the EU.
Common travel area has never changed, it has always been referred to as such. Irish / British citizens wishing to live and work in other respective country have never had a visa or other barrier.

Before the United Kingdom joined the EU Aer Lingus did operate some services from GB to mainland Europe.
The question I would have is why would they want to start flying EDI etc to the USA now. I mean its not as if British Citizens can travel to the USA easily right now?
Aer Lingus was biggest Airline serving Milan / Turin from Manchester before 5th freedom flight ban.

Aer Lingus is IAG so decisions are made as part of overall IAG strategy.
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Old 31st Aug 2020, 13:01
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
Wouldn't of thought so, EI is a pretty well known brand and whichever airport goes for it will no doubt be pushing hard. Hadn't thought of it, but would BFS be on the list?
EI failed completely when they started expansion in UK to sun spots etc a number of years ago. The "well known" brand was much touted on here and despite the extensive money spent on London ads it failed miserably.
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I could see EI being interested since the grant money that is there for long haul flights from BFS.
Why bother if only impact is to devalue home base less than 2 hours down the road. Adding flights into BFS would be at the expense of load factors in Dublin, unlikely to happen.

In addition what is the USP of Americans flying into BFS rather than Dublin ?
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It's being rumoured elsewhere that the based Shannon long haul airframes are being touted to UK regional airports in a bidding war. Two based A321NEOS allegedly as they scramble to
replace lost capacity and Aer Lingus struggle with a surfeit of aircraft.
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It's being rumoured elsewhere that the based Shannon long haul airframes are being touted to UK regional airports in a bidding war. Two based A321NEOS allegedly as they scramble to
replace lost capacity and Aer Lingus struggle with a surfeit of aircraft.
Discussed in an article from the Irish Times linked at post #283 above.
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.... and if it came to fruition, would last all of one season.
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