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Old 19th Jul 2018, 10:31
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Aer Lingus has a hub at Dublin Airport. Connecting the US to EUROPE and vice versa. The long haul services support the short haul services and vice versa and Dublin is where their short haul services and long services meet.

so establishing anything in Cork would seem counter to the strategy that is currently at work. As another poster described, the only conditions under which Aer Lingus would do Cork US would be if another carrier came into that market and impacted its Dublin and Shannon services greatly.

Norwegian are the pioneers here, argueably they are the wrong carrier for this market. Though good job for ORK securing the route. Cork would need a flight to a well connected gateway with adequate connections to cover North America. Norwegian does not provide such a service. Belfast has the same challenge....
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Old 19th Jul 2018, 16:03
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You`re spot on EI-BUD. Norwegian are cutting their winter services to Belfast, Cork and Shannon because of their precarious financial position. They cannot afford to sustain losses on routes in the winter period. A Cork-New York with a hub carrier would work well. There are 500,000 people living in Cork (city & county). Shannon has far less population yet has numerous transatlantic services.
Both Belfast and Cork have the same challenge in attracting a hub carrier for transatlantic services. They are similar sized cities though Cork is obviously more prosperous with a lot more industry, especially US firms in pharma and IT. Both cities should be able to attract a hub carrier if Shannon can.
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Old 19th Jul 2018, 16:33
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I think it's being generous giving Cork every person in Cork County. After all, if you are in Fermoy or Mitchelstown, you can get a direct bus to Dublin Airport and not to Cork Airport.

If the politicians in Cork, who are stressing about growth in Dublin, worried more about access to Cork Airport from Waterford, Kerry, South Tipperary and even Cork, than they did about Cork people using Dublin Airport it would serve them a lot better.
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Old 19th Jul 2018, 19:16
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Originally Posted by CCR View Post
You`re spot on EI-BUD. Norwegian are cutting their winter services to Belfast, Cork and Shannon because of their precarious financial position. They cannot afford to sustain losses on routes in the winter period. A Cork-New York with a hub carrier would work well. There are 500,000 people living in Cork (city & county). Shannon has far less population yet has numerous transatlantic services.
Both Belfast and Cork have the same challenge in attracting a hub carrier for transatlantic services. They are similar sized cities though Cork is obviously more prosperous with a lot more industry, especially US firms in pharma and IT. Both cities should be able to attract a hub carrier if Shannon can.
Norwegian have cut SNN-PVD however increased SNN-SWF to daily. If Cork cannot find a carrier to operate a sustainable transatlantic service within the next 10 years, that could spell the end of that dream as the M20 will be open by then.
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Old 19th Jul 2018, 21:27
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How would this impact if followed through on both sides? ��

Theresa May visits Irish border as Dublin threatens to BLOCK planes
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Old 19th Jul 2018, 23:57
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Could I suggest in relation to the discussion about relative populations in various points like Cork, Belfast and Shannon. This topic its largely irrelevant.

The USA is the source of the lions share of passengers, holiday makers and VFR in the main.

let's remember Shannon has a hugely established transatlantic reputation. Tour operators in the USA use Shannon and Cork is not yet featuring heavily. This may be due to lack of frequency, and then established trading arrangements ex Dublin and Shannon. There is good business traffic opportunities in the Cork area, such could sustain a service, but as mentioned Norwegian is not in the frame for any of this...

Cork, IMHO needs one of the USA large network carriers to offer a daily rotation to a large US city, ie EWR/JFK. They need to offer a wide range of connections, cater for business traffic, and stick at it until it gets well known and established and onto the program of large tour organisers....
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Old 20th Jul 2018, 02:02
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Originally Posted by CCR View Post
You`re spot on EI-BUD. Norwegian are cutting their winter services to Belfast, Cork and Shannon because of their precarious financial position. They cannot afford to sustain losses on routes in the winter period. A Cork-New York with a hub carrier would work well. There are 500,000 people living in Cork (city & county). Shannon has far less population yet has numerous transatlantic services.
Both Belfast and Cork have the same challenge in attracting a hub carrier for transatlantic services. They are similar sized cities though Cork is obviously more prosperous with a lot more industry, especially US firms in pharma and IT. Both cities should be able to attract a hub carrier if Shannon can.
Belfast is a larger airport carrying around 6 million passengers a year - almost thrice the throughput into Cork Airport.We have already had a Transatlantic flight with a legacy carrier for well over 10 years.

I am certain that we could have one again, over and above Cork.

Afterall you are forgetting the two weekly BFS-Orlando flights by Virgin Atlantic and Thomas Cook in the Summer period. Cork does not and never will have an equivalent to 747’s coming through twice a week.
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Old 20th Jul 2018, 02:04
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Originally Posted by Cozy F View Post
How would this impact if followed through on both sides? ��

Theresa May visits Irish border as Dublin threatens to BLOCK planes
It would have adverse repurcusions for the Dublin hub which uses GB passengers to boost its numbers.
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Old 20th Jul 2018, 02:13
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With regards to the Aer Lingus Cadet Pilots programme, what is the cost for the training? €100,000?

I see it is in the form of a Bond? What exactly is that?

I was looking into the British Airways programme and it would seem that you have to now cover the costs of this yourself.
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Old 20th Jul 2018, 08:04
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Originally Posted by EI-BUD View Post
Could I suggest in relation to the discussion about relative populations in various points like Cork, Belfast and Shannon. This topic its largely irrelevant.

The USA is the source of the lions share of passengers, holiday makers and VFR in the main.

let's remember Shannon has a hugely established transatlantic reputation. Tour operators in the USA use Shannon and Cork is not yet featuring heavily. This may be due to lack of frequency, and then established trading arrangements ex Dublin and Shannon. There is good business traffic opportunities in the Cork area, such could sustain a service, but as mentioned Norwegian is not in the frame for any of this...

Cork, IMHO needs one of the USA large network carriers to offer a daily rotation to a large US city, ie EWR/JFK. They need to offer a wide range of connections, cater for business traffic, and stick at it until it gets well known and established and onto the program of large tour organisers....
This is a more valid point. Point to point traffic just isn’t there and point to point traffic is Norwegian’s M.O. I note that Air Canada now have a route from Halifax, Nova Scotia to the UK. Not to BRS or any other regional airport but to LHR (using a B737 max). This allows connectivity for the Halifax traffic. Cork needs to be connected to a hub in the states in a similar way.
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Probably going a bit off topic here, but I think Cork's big missed opportunity was not getting Air Canada's service that is going to Shannon. The aircraft used would have been suitable. Toronto is a decent hub, with nearly 50 million passengers a year. It has pre-clearance on flights to the US. And unlike routes from Shannon to the US, the lack of pre-clearance in Cork wasn't a disadvantage.
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Old 20th Jul 2018, 11:43
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Originally Posted by PC767 View Post


This is a more valid point. Point to point traffic just isn’t there and point to point traffic is Norwegian’s M.O. I note that Air Canada now have a route from Halifax, Nova Scotia to the UK. Not to BRS or any other regional airport but to LHR (using a B737 max). This allows connectivity for the Halifax traffic. Cork needs to be connected to a hub in the states in a similar way.

Halifax has been connected to Heathrow for decades by Air Canada and indeed thirty years plus ago they also flew the DC8 Via Prestwick
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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 11:39
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Profits for H1 increase from 53 to 104 million beating IB (102) and VY (-11). THey also expect to announce 2 T/A routes starting in July 2019 in the next few weeks (3 under consideration).

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...eeks-1.3585382
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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 12:35
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Originally Posted by EI-A330-300 View Post
Profits for H1 increase from 53 to 104 million beating IB (102) and VY (-11). THey also expect to announce 2 T/A routes starting in July 2019 in the next few weeks (3 under consideration).

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...eeks-1.3585382
Going to hazard a guess for the 3 T/A routes under consideration..

Dublin-Dallas
Dublin-Montreal
Cork-New York (if they have the A321NEO by then)
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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 14:29
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...and hopefully they're not arriving/departing in the early morning peak!
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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 21:18
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Originally Posted by CCR View Post
Going to hazard a guess for the 3 T/A routes under consideration..

Dublin-Dallas
Dublin-Montreal
Cork-New York (if they have the A321NEO by then)
Apparently it will be A330 due to A321 delays so I would rule YUL out as a potential candidate for July 2019.
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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 21:31
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Originally Posted by EI-A330-300 View Post
Apparently it will be A330 due to A321 delays so I would rule YUL out as a potential candidate for July 2019.
Cork-New York can be ruled out too, EI stated last October that they've no plans for transatlantic services out of Cork.
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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 22:21
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Originally Posted by CCR View Post
Going to hazard a guess for the 3 T/A routes under consideration..

Dublin-Dallas
Dublin-Montreal
Cork-New York (if they have the A321NEO by then)
Dallas would be fantastic.
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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 22:36
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Cork is very, very unlikely for an Aer Lingus transatlantic service, but without the A321 it is definitely not happening.

My guesses are all from Dublin to

Dallas
Denver
Las Vegas

The first two are simply the largest US airports without a direct Irish service and also good for connections, whether American or United

The last because I reckon they know the level of Irish business through New York, Boston, Chicago and London and can see that it would work.
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Old 4th Aug 2018, 07:44
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The media is quoting Willie Walsh and Stephen Kavanagh, indicating two potential routes of the 3 short listed and giving clues to the broad geographic location of the 3rd on the shortlist ...
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