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Some nations rely heavily on us travelling for income, add to that come July you would expect if the trajectory carries on we won't be that "high case" anymore, we could fly to Portugal, Croatia or Germany without quarantine at their end today for example.
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There's no reason why we shouldn't go to Portugal - their current case rate is at least as high as ours, for which reason the UK would be quite justified in quarantining you on return!
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Maybe so and they can go to Spain from July 1 freely so I think the attitude now is economies need to recover and the risk managed.
I wondered before why Portugal has been held up as this shining example of how to deal with Covid-19 when their daily rate of new infections remains so high.
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Trouble is it wasn't that big a bucket at around £300m, looked at another way running only 7 or 8 aircraft in Norway alone was never going fill the coffers
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On that basis they seem to have handled things quite well?
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Not sure about your maths AndrewH52. Whatever figure you have for Portugal multiply by 6 for population difference.. 336 new cases x 6 equals 2016. The UK had 1115 which is about double the UK rate. I wouldn't rate that as quite well.
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And there's an impending prosecution in the Algarve (Lagos) after an illegal gathering of 100 resulted in 16 new cases.
I quite understand why the destination countries are desperate for tourists to return, but I fear that it won't end well.
I quite understand why the destination countries are desperate for tourists to return, but I fear that it won't end well.
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Countries record Covid19 deaths according to very different criteria. And as we all know, our care homes have been a disaster. Maybe in Portugal more of the frail elderly are looked after at home.
There is no doubt that the rate in Portugal is at least as high as in the UK.
There is no doubt that the rate in Portugal is at least as high as in the UK.
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Take a look at this table below and you will see the big difference in the death rates /1M between the UK and Portugal. Whilst Portugal has an economy based on tourism, I am surprised that their government is so keen to re-start flights to/from the UK at this moment in time.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
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There is very little to support that assertion, I think. Also looking at deaths/cases at one point in time can be misleading. It is the trajectory that matters, where are the UK and Portugal at in their relative COVID timelines?
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It’s a tricky one to compare, if you look in March it was chaos in Italy, people dying in hospital corridors etc, it was never that bad here (in fact the nightingales were either barely or not used at all in most cases) so have we lost more to it than Italy? It’s down to different recording methods and plenty of reports that Covid has been suspected and included or people who’ve died of other sources but tested positive have had it included regardless of it being the actual cause.
In terms of going forward where does it end? Do we stop and keep locking down, destroying economies and livelihoods until there’s a vaccine which may never come?
Ultimately we know we can’t lock down again, even with a second wave, many nations have said they won’t do it again so we have to learn to live with it and try and risk manage it the best we can, and that’s going to be an international effort.
In terms of going forward where does it end? Do we stop and keep locking down, destroying economies and livelihoods until there’s a vaccine which may never come?
Ultimately we know we can’t lock down again, even with a second wave, many nations have said they won’t do it again so we have to learn to live with it and try and risk manage it the best we can, and that’s going to be an international effort.