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Old 18th Sep 2020, 07:59
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At what point BA have to give back their LGW slots (assuming routes will remain at LHR not only interim)?
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Old 18th Sep 2020, 09:29
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Originally Posted by SeanM1997 View Post
AirlineRoute is not confirmation - the account is not an official spokesperson for new routes - just a blogger with a website. There is no difference from other people announcing the exact same (as I and others did) based on British Airways taking flights off their website (all public). Official confirmation is when it comes from British Airways directly - everybody else's "confirmation" is just repeating what the airline has said or done.

For instance, I got my information from the British Airways website - is this any less "confirmation"?
Just like your pointless twitter account that you feel the need to link into every post? Me me me. Grow up.
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Old 18th Sep 2020, 09:48
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Originally Posted by Vokes55 View Post
Just like your pointless twitter account that you feel the need to link into every post? Me me me. Grow up.
I'm not saying that - but calling it confirmation when its another blogger is not correct.

Also, I post my own work only - not claiming to be official or anything like that. Just as I find it I share it.

Please can you not be so rude in future comments as did not attack Aksai with my comment - just pointed it out as it was stated in this forum yesterday
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Old 18th Sep 2020, 10:15
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Keep posting SeanM1997. Some of us appreciate the route updates you provide here and on the far from pointless Twitter account.

As you say itís public information but itís nice having someone pull it all together in a timely concise way.
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Old 18th Sep 2020, 10:19
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Originally Posted by DC3 Dave View Post
Keep posting SeanM1997. Some of us appreciate the route updates you provide here and on the far from pointless Twitter account.

As you say itís public information but itís nice having someone pull it all together in a timely concise way.
My only adage would be: Be careful with stating something as fact, when unsure of its status or confirmation from the airline.
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Old 18th Sep 2020, 10:23
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Originally Posted by Vokes55 View Post
Just like your pointless twitter account that you feel the need to link into every post? Me me me. Grow up.
Totally uncalled for and downright rude Vokess55.

Keep it up Sean and ignore him. The vast majority of us appreciate your Twitter updates.
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Old 18th Sep 2020, 11:40
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Originally Posted by pamann View Post
Keep it up Sean and ignore him. The vast majority of us appreciate your Twitter updates.
A solution might be simply to post the information, without the clickbait.
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Old 18th Sep 2020, 11:55
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Originally Posted by SeanM1997 View Post
AirlineRoute is not confirmation - the account is not an official spokesperson for new routes - just a blogger with a website. There is no difference from other people announcing the exact same (as I and others did) based on British Airways taking flights off their website (all public). Official confirmation is when it comes from British Airways directly - everybody else's "confirmation" is just repeating what the airline has said or done.

For instance, I got my information from the British Airways website - is this any less "confirmation"?
The Airline Route blog/website is a useful and usually very reliable source of information, which was quoted in my post to back up yours. If you took your information from the BA website then please quote it.

There is no need to spit your dummy out.
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Old 18th Sep 2020, 12:20
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Your most accurate source is Routesonline, which send out a daily list based on information from airlines themselves - subscription if free
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Old 18th Sep 2020, 17:20
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The key point being that BA will have suspended LGW short haul til they have a view on the likely market next summer. The fleet is already down by 28 B744s and 12 A380s with no flying undertaken by the A321CEO fleet whatsoever. Given Winter is likely to be a bloodbath, I am not convinced they'll be back next summer. If LHR reinstates the 80/20 slot usage role for the summer then as much of BA's London program as possible will be at LHR protecting slots. Given BA will be 20-30% smaller going forward, they really do need to protect market share at home base as the likes of Westjet and others grab the slots that come up. If BA did not use 10% of their existing LHR slots, Wizz and easyJet would bid for them IMHO.

Hence LGW becomes a side issue and LGW slots are almost worthless in the current market. I expect the whole G-GAT* A320 fleet to exit formally soon.
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Old 18th Sep 2020, 17:44
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Airline routes/RoutesOnline

For the record, Airlineroutes/RoutesOnline is not ďa blogger with a websiteĒ. Itís part of a highly professional and reputable company which (among other things) has been organising global route development conferences for the past 25 years. Itís internationally respected and has carved out a leadership position in the business of connecting airports and airlines.

Its data sources include paid/privileged access to GDS systems, so it is normally the first to pick up on schedule changes. Often before an airline will communicate with individual customers (particularly BA, whose IT systems are especially ropey).

I have no axe to grind on this (Iím not connected with the company) but I have worked in the industry for 40 years and I can vouch for their professionalism.
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Old 19th Sep 2020, 14:58
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Rwandair next to jump ship to LHR when they restart. Doubt theyíll return to LGW.
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Old 19th Sep 2020, 20:15
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Rwandair have been operating at LHR for a while now.
Anyone know if Vistara are moving to LGW in Oct or remaining at LHR?
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Old 20th Sep 2020, 09:46
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https://simpleflying.com/rwandair-sc...ndon-heathrow/
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Old 20th Sep 2020, 12:30
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It's been flying weekly KGL-BRU-LHR on a Friday into T2, possibly cargo only but unlike the many NH,QR, CA,JL,BA cargo flights, was listed on the flight arrivals page. Can't imagine much of a market even in good times but hey ho.

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Old 20th Sep 2020, 12:47
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot View Post
It's been flying weekly KIG-BRU-LHR on a Friday into T2, possibly cargo only but unlike the many NH,QR, CA,JL,BA cargo flights, was listed on the flight arrivals page. Can't imagine much of a market even in good times but hey ho.
You might be surprised to hear Rwanda was one of the very few non-European countries allowing in tourists without restriction. Although you would need to quarantine to come back again. Itís a little niche but has some market, gorilla tours for example
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Old 20th Sep 2020, 17:57
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot View Post
It's been flying weekly KIG-BRU-LHR on a Friday into T2
Or KGL-BRU-LHR, even. (KIG is Koingnaas, in South Africa).
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Old 25th Sep 2020, 18:27
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Another airline hoping to move to Heathrow as Jazeera have applied for slots. Rwandair, WestJet & China Airlines are going or gone, and it doesn't leave much left apart from LCCs like Wizz & Vueling.
The South Terminal will probably be closed until Summer 2022 at the earliest at this rate.
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Old 25th Sep 2020, 18:42
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Originally Posted by Playamar2 View Post
Another airline hoping to move to Heathrow as Jazeera have applied for slots. Rwandair, WestJet & China Airlines are going or gone, and it doesn't leave much left apart from LCCs like Wizz & Vueling.
The South Terminal will probably be closed until Summer 2022 at the earliest at this rate.
It certainly isnít good news for LGW, however, we still donít yet know whether airlines such as those mentioned above have been granted slots at LHR for summer 21 and beyond. For example, China Airlines are currently operating LHR-TPE up until the end of the winter timetable, at which point, service transfers back to LGW. So the permanent transfer of these airlines to Heathrow will really come down to ability of long term slot ownership. Granted, traffic at LHR has been down just as other airports, but many airlines that have temporarily reduced or suspended operations from LHR will no doubt be keeping a tight grip on their slots and will be keen to return to LHR at the earliest opportunity to avoid new players from entering.
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Old 25th Sep 2020, 18:56
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Heathrow slots will open up. BA are down 20+ B747s and 12 A380s at a minimum for next summer and that's before the narrow body cuts. I would be shocked if WestJet and RwandAir couldn't get the required slots. Looks like JetBlue is going into LHR too.
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