Airlines, Airports & Routes Topics about airports, routes and airline business.

Gatwick-2

Old 7th May 2020, 14:10
  #861 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: London
Age: 39
Posts: 532
Originally Posted by Vokes55 View Post
Where is there anything written about Gatwick “throwing Wizz Air a deal”?

Looks like Wizz acknowledge that BA and Virgin won’t sell their slots, I’m inclined to believe the judgement of an airline CEO over a spotter who’s been posting negativity about any airport except Heathrow across a number of forum platforms for as long as I can remember.
Are you for real? You think the CEO of a major airline can’t see an airport desperate for a lifeline and knows he has them by the balls? I am also a marketing analyst who would say that the UK has had too much airport capacity in a fragmented state devoid of strategy for decades. Well guess what, the bubble just burst.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52566030

I’m not Mystic Meg, and yes I am a dour Scottish pessimist, so am not a fanboy. I support LHR as a national asset rather than a local airport like say SOU/BOU or LTN/STN, NCL/MME, MAN/LPL, PIK/GLA/EDI. Look at the overlap, that duplication won’t survive this downturn, this is the biggest recession anyone has alive has seen. I truly find it bonkers that somehow Wizz Air taking on BA at LGW is even registering?
Skipness One Foxtrot is offline  
Old 7th May 2020, 15:44
  #862 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Middlesesx
Posts: 2,051
No mention of SEN and Carlisle! I agree with much of SOF's observations. I have said before IAG can still rise from the ashes at LGW in Level, Vueling and Iberia Express. Clearly BA will remove the Beach/Island routes to LHR, but only if there sustainable. I think the IAG plan is all about the future not the present nor the past. Like it or not the company will take whatever action is needed to survive and it will upset many more people than have so far been mentioned.
HZ123 is offline  
Old 7th May 2020, 16:19
  #863 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: southern spain
Posts: 1,779
Just one scheduled service today, Ryanair f/t Dublin. Would it not be better to just shut it down for a while?
compton3bravo is offline  
Old 8th May 2020, 09:02
  #864 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: The EU
Posts: 307
Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot View Post
Are you for real? You think the CEO of a major airline can’t see an airport desperate for a lifeline and knows he has them by the balls? I am also a marketing analyst who would say that the UK has had too much airport capacity in a fragmented state devoid of strategy for decades. Well guess what, the bubble just burst.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52566030

I’m not Mystic Meg, and yes I am a dour Scottish pessimist, so am not a fanboy. I support LHR as a national asset rather than a local airport like say SOU/BOU or LTN/STN, NCL/MME, MAN/LPL, PIK/GLA/EDI. Look at the overlap, that duplication won’t survive this downturn, this is the biggest recession anyone has alive has seen. I truly find it bonkers that somehow Wizz Air taking on BA at LGW is even registering?
Are you for real? Virgin temporarily withdrawing from LGW may be a big deal for nostalgia and prestige reasons, but they’re the ninth largest carrier at Gatwick with as little as 2-3 flights a day on some days. I’d hardly say LGW are “desperate for a lifeline”, don’t be so dramatic.

If you scroll down the very same news article that you posted, you’ll also see that after the “biggest recession anyone alive has ever seen”, they’re forecasting a 15% growth next year. The CEO of BA himself has said that demand will be at 2019 levels by 2023 (quite where he got his crystal ball from I don’t know, but given that everything he says will be the most extreme case in order to justify has mass culling of staff, it’ll probably be sooner). How does he expect to meet that demand in three years if he’s given all the LGW slots to easyJet?

Use some common sense. Virgin and Norwegian have made it clear they’re not giving up their slots and BA would sooner fly an A319 from Gatwick to Heathrow and back 10x per day to protect their slots than allow them to be swallowed up by easyJet. And anyone who believes they wouldn’t has a short memory.

BBC NEWS | UK | Green anger at 'ghost flights'

Wizz Air are not taking on BA. Wizz will more than likely continue along their path of expanding services at LGW with flights at times when slots are readily available, and remember there are slots readily available at Gatwick. It’s only the morning departures and the late evening arrivals where the airport is largely restricted.
Vokes55 is online now  
Old 8th May 2020, 10:13
  #865 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Ilmington, Warwickshire
Posts: 132
Won’t NOR have no choice but to give up their slots at LGW?
BehindBlueEyes is online now  
Old 8th May 2020, 10:48
  #866 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: The EU
Posts: 307
Originally Posted by BehindBlueEyes View Post
Won’t NOR have no choice but to give up their slots at LGW?
Why?

Slots for S20 are irrelevant as there is no requirement to ‘use them or lose them’. Their plan is to restart in March 2021 or earlier if demand allows them to. The key scandi-UK routes will almost certainly be back before the end of the year, and it wouldn’t surprise me to see one or two TATL routes before Christmas either.
Vokes55 is online now  
Old 8th May 2020, 10:51
  #867 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: London, UK
Posts: 422
Re BA and LGW slots. I suspect that what they hang on to at LGW will be coloured by whether they can grab extra slots at LHR.
willy wombat is offline  
Old 8th May 2020, 10:56
  #868 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Ballymena
Posts: 1,226
Norwegian did mention Lgw as one of the first to see operations when they start to come to life again.
True Blue is offline  
Old 8th May 2020, 11:09
  #869 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Leeds, UK & Cork, Ireland
Posts: 982
Originally Posted by Vokes55 View Post
Why?

Slots for S20 are irrelevant as there is no requirement to ‘use them or lose them’. Their plan is to restart in March 2021 or earlier if demand allows them to. The key scandi-UK routes will almost certainly be back before the end of the year, and it wouldn’t surprise me to see one or two TATL routes before Christmas either.
That is possible, but seems unlikely to me. The US is very much at the plateau, but no real fall in deaths right now - which remain in the region of 5000 a day across the US. The effect that social distancing might have on tourist attractions and the type of eating/drinking/socialising that might be allowed, even if open at all might be drastic. Not to mention the quarantine requirements when coming from the UK, the second-most effected country globally. Deaths and new cases in China are suspiciously low and other countries trajectories don't seem to flood the same pattern. South Korea, who are considered to have one of the best test, track and trace systems have new cases and deaths falling at a much slower rate. One does wonder about the reliability of the Chinese data.
brian_dromey is offline  
Old 8th May 2020, 11:39
  #870 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Freedom Sound
Posts: 225
Regarding the data from China, as said very suspicious maybe add a zero or two to whatever total.
esscee is offline  
Old 16th May 2020, 15:24
  #871 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Eas Anglia
Age: 61
Posts: 534
Interesting article here : credit SimplyFlying.

https://simpleflying.com/will-gatwic...rgin-atlantic/

But takes no acount of undoubted contraction that will appear at Heathrow ?

As soon as slots appear there airlines will transfer flight over in a heartbeat IMO.
Navpi is online now  
Old 16th May 2020, 19:16
  #872 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Reading, UK
Posts: 11,755
Originally Posted by Navpi View Post
Interesting article here : credit SimplyFlying.

https://simpleflying.com/will-gatwic...rgin-atlantic/

But takes no acount of undoubted contraction that will appear at Heathrow ?

As soon as slots appear there airlines will transfer flight over in a heartbeat IMO.
Will Gatwick miss Virgin Atlantic ?

I can see why the publication calls itself Simple Flying ...
DaveReidUK is online now  
Old 17th May 2020, 15:46
  #873 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Eas Anglia
Age: 61
Posts: 534
DR yes I thought the headline was to say the least somewhat understated.

I suspect they will miss BA and NOR as well

Just a minor observation when 3 of your largest customers pull out.
Navpi is online now  
Old 17th May 2020, 15:51
  #874 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: London
Posts: 150
Originally Posted by Navpi View Post
DR yes I thought the headline was to say the least somewhat understated.

I suspect they will miss BA and NOR as well

Just a minor observation when 3 of your largest customers pull out.
BA have said, albeit after the VS announcement, that they wouldn’t be completely leaving Gatwick
flyerguy is offline  
Old 19th May 2020, 19:37
  #875 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Southampton, U.K
Posts: 1,145
Blue Islands are to operate a weekly (Tues) essential travel only JER-LGW between 26/05 and 23/06 in addition to the 3 weekly SOU service.
adfly is offline  
Old 19th May 2020, 21:47
  #876 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: East London
Age: 37
Posts: 71
Bit of a strange one, not sure what LGW brings to the party. For the purposes of essential travel Southampton surely meets that purpose for London as well as serving the wider south. If they’d gone to LTN or STN it would have at least given more of a reach stretching into the Midlands and East.
AirportPlanner1 is online now  
Old 20th May 2020, 05:14
  #877 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: London
Posts: 270
Airportplanner it will be to do with NHS hospital contracts the Jersey Authorities have in place .

Rutan16 is offline  
Old 20th May 2020, 10:14
  #878 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 10
Its also worth remembering the amount of daily flights BA and Easyjet had serving Jersey prior the crisis, Essential workers come in all forms and with Jerseys two main industries being Finance and Farming a London connection makes sense. No doubt the Government of Jersey has some idea of what they're doing.
wanna is offline  
Old 20th May 2020, 14:14
  #879 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: East London
Age: 37
Posts: 71
Originally Posted by wanna View Post
Its also worth remembering the amount of daily flights BA and Easyjet had serving Jersey prior the crisis, Essential workers come in all forms and with Jerseys two main industries being Finance and Farming a London connection makes sense. No doubt the Government of Jersey has some idea of what they're doing.
I’m not doubting an actual London connection rather than Southampton makes sense (although how useful 1x weekly is for essential finance is questionable) I was pointing out on the basis of what already exists a link to an airport north of London would provide broader onward connections.
AirportPlanner1 is online now  
Old 20th May 2020, 15:39
  #880 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: jersey
Age: 70
Posts: 1,233
As a Jersey resident & an aviation professional for 37 years, I can assure you that the residents would put a Gatwick link way out on its own against a link to one to a further north airport. As for the States of Jersey “knowing what it is doing’; I have serious doubts about that !
kcockayne is online now  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.