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Old 5th Sep 2018, 20:36
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Primera CEO seen at Gatwick this week. If anything comes of it, what on earth could PF possibly start from LGW that hasn't already got a service?
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Old 5th Sep 2018, 20:48
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India next?

Could a route to India be on the cards next?


​​​​​​www.thehindu.com/business/Industry/indigo-may-start-flights-to-uk-this-winter/article24876126.ece
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Old 5th Sep 2018, 22:16
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The article states that they plan to use a A321NeoLR to serve LGW and the aircraft will be able to fly for between 8 to 9 hours and that the new route will require a stop en route.

I wonder if if they are planning to use airports already served by indigo in the Middle East for the en route stop. For instance LGW-DXB-DEL. If they did this how easy would it be for Indigo to be granted traffic rights for the LGW-DXB portion of the journey?






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Old 6th Sep 2018, 20:45
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I see Norwegian has taken Lgw - Sin off sale from early January 2019. Pity to see it go. Why has it failed as I could rarely find fares on other carriers as cheap as Norwegian even after adding bags etc?
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Old 6th Sep 2018, 21:30
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I see Norwegian has taken Lgw - Sin off sale from early January 2019. Pity to see it go. Why has it failed as I could rarely find fares on other carriers as cheap as Norwegian even after adding bags etc?
You have answered your own question, lack of yield. Cheap fares is a sign that they couldnít get enough bums on seats to make it profitable.
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Old 7th Sep 2018, 05:58
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The Norwegian Singapore route isnt due to passenger yield, they lost a big cargo contract that made it viable. Its going to be swapped to a Brazilian route.
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Old 7th Sep 2018, 06:13
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Originally Posted by True Blue View Post
I see Norwegian has taken Lgw - Sin off sale from early January 2019. Pity to see it go. Why has it failed as I could rarely find fares on other carriers as cheap as Norwegian even after adding bags etc?
Just had an email cancelling my flights. I can get a refund or they will re-book me on another carrier, as I had booked business with Norwegian does anyone know if they have to offer the same class for any re-booking?
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Old 7th Sep 2018, 07:25
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I canít omagine BA going back on Colombo yet again. Itís not that long since they pulled the most recent effort.

A Dubai move would not be surprising which may allow the third Heathrow frequency to be redeployed to Islamabad given the ongoing rumours about a return. I doubt that ISB would be a Gatwick route although do recall the old LGW-MAN-ISB routing with the BCal 747s...
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Old 7th Sep 2018, 18:38
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Jet Blue have been in negotiations with Gatwick with a view of launching a premier class operation using their Mint cabin.
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Old 7th Sep 2018, 18:41
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Grrr

Norwegian. Travel trade are speculating that Rio will follow the closure of Singapore.
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Old 7th Sep 2018, 18:45
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Norwwegian rumours about GIG
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...n-2019-451733/
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Old 7th Sep 2018, 19:54
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Norwegian. Travel trade are speculating that Rio will follow the closure of Singapore.
Rio is definitely happening.

JetBlue could also be bidding for the 3 BA/AA remedy slots on (LHR-NYC) for next summer.
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Old 7th Sep 2018, 20:36
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Originally Posted by toledoashley View Post
Rio is definitely happening.

JetBlue could also be bidding for the 3 BA/AA remedy slots on (LHR-NYC) for next summer.
Without coming across as ignorant to the subject but can you elaborate on those 3 BA/AA remedy slots on LHR-JFK?

JetBlue will find it very difficult to expand at LHR and obtain expensive slots which they will need to do if there going to compete on LHR to USA and in particular to JFK so I personally don't think that LHR is the best option for them. LGW or even STN would be better served by JetBlue perhaps joining up as a partner to Easyjet.

I've always enjoyed my domestic flights within the USA with JetBlue so hopefully we're see them eventually launch transatlantic flights to London at some point as they are an excellent airline in my opinion.
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Old 8th Sep 2018, 06:37
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Without coming across as ignorant to the subject but can you elaborate on those 3 BA/AA remedy slots on LHR-JFK?

JetBlue will find it very difficult to expand at LHR and obtain expensive slots which they will need to do if there going to compete on LHR to USA and in particular to JFK so I personally don't think that LHR is the best option for them. LGW or even STN would be better served by JetBlue perhaps joining up as a partner to Easyjet.

I've always enjoyed my domestic flights within the USA with JetBlue so hopefully we're see them eventually launch transatlantic flights to London at some point as they are an excellent airline in my opinion.
It an EU Antitrust case dating back to 2010 and the BA/AA Joint Venture. According to the website they will be required to release up to three slots at Heathrow and New York (either JFK or EWR) - although its expected they will settle on three slots due to the number of frequencies. Any IAG airline won't be allowed to bid, and it looks tricky for VS/DL due to their JV. We should hear after September 20th.

https://www.mazars.co.uk/Home/Servic...irlines-Iberia
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Old 8th Sep 2018, 08:37
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With the level of frequency on LHR-JFK and EWR together with the Norwegian service at LGW for JFK, it looks very unlikely that a remedy slot release for LHR-JFK will arise. Itís not easy to say for certain unless you know whose slots are whose, but I would really doubt this would provide an avenue for jetBlue into LHR.
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Old 8th Sep 2018, 09:45
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fligŵhtrider - if an airline applies for the remedial slots and meets the required terms set for qualification and necessary financial standards for their release then BA are obligised to comply.

Other routes covered by remedial slot releases include Boston and Miami , plus former bmi routes to Cairo, Riyadh, Nice, Edinburgh, Aberdeen and Moscow.

Virgin used and returned some for their Aberdeen and Edinburgh “little red venture” but shuttered that offer due to remarkably dire performance and returns - the only winner being IAG fellow carrier Aer Lingus me thinks ! Manchester wasn’t a remedial slot route however Virgin were required to use ALL of their own slots to meet the qualifying requirements set for the award of the remedial slot allocation.

Flybe are now trying those same routes with remedial slots and qualifying as a new entrant.

Delta use a remedial slot award for their Boston flights whilst Miami was also tried and returned whilst they now use their UK arm and slots for that route today.

So there remains a number of BA slots that can be demanded under the remedy slots systems to qualifying carriers if any want to try their luck.

By the way Heathrow isn’t necessarily a guaranteed gold mine and BA retain many of the jokers in the pack because they can determine what slot times and pairs they provide from their very extensive pack - more than 50 % of all available slots at slot constrained Heathrow today.
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Old 8th Sep 2018, 15:15
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Thatís not the case here. If you read the remedy slot document then the number of frequencies provided by non IAG parties on London-New York has to drop below 10 before the remedy slots are unlocked. My point was that with the level of frequencies on the route with UA, VS, DL and DI, I doubt this is sufficiently low as to require the remedy slots to be made available.
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Old 8th Sep 2018, 16:48
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Flightrider wasnít disagreeing just pointing out the availability .

True the LON-NYC market is hardly short of capacity or indeed competition at the moment.

In fact the rear end cabins are massively over subscribed trending heavy discounting and dumping via the consolidators by the major incumbrants at times of year.





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Old 10th Sep 2018, 16:30
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Indigo with slots ex LGW to India W18/19? Will be surprised if that comes to pass for this coming winter.
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Old 10th Sep 2018, 17:01
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New TUI route to Rijeka, Croatia starting May 2019.
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