Norwegian-2

[sdh2903]

Is it just me who thinks it's ridiculous that Norwegian have started using a brand new type straight onto transatlantic routes despite the aircraft not being etops certified? New types always have teething issues. Surely the sensible option would be to have operated them shorthaul to iron out the wrinkles and allow the etops certification to get sorted before launching these routes?

[HH6702]

That's to simply.... most companies don't do things the easy way

[goldeneye]

One of the Max's is parked up beside the cross runway at Edinburgh, passed it this morning on the train.

[Porrohman]

I believe the Max should have had 180 ETOPS on day one but engine issues late in the certification process appear to have delayed this. Presumably Boeing will have to compensate Norwegian.

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Porrohman & goldeneye

I was told last year that the Max would not have ETOPS approval when it went into service.
The Max parked up is FYB which went Tech as l reported earlier in this thread.

[inOban]

Must be something substantial since it's still out of service.

[Navpi]

Any news on loads re CAA stats.

[VickersVicount]

CAA for EDI- PVD, SWF average around 75%, BDL around low 60's but expect they are either an overestimate (if the exact seat block taken into account) or underestimate with various cancellations.
Regardless BDL a bit shaky.
Think crunch time will be in deep winter for all of these when inbound tourism sluggish at best.

[GoEDI]

June EDI averages:

SWF- 124 pax/flight
BDL- 120 pax/flight
PVD- 103 pax/flight

Not much point looking at percentages due to uncertainty over payload... Expect July and August to be improved as flights showing regularly sold out in the booking engine.

[VickersVicount]

What are the CAA concerns over the DY Max8 ops ? (cant see subscription article)
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/n...ver-caa-issues

[Porrohman]

I haven't seen any formal announcement but, late on Monday, Norwegian must have received the necessary ETOPS clearance for their B738MAX aircraft.

The westbound flights on Monday routed over Greenland but, since then, B738MAX flights both ways across the pond have taken direct routings.

[EIFFS]

Porrohman

Correct, approval was granted about a week ago for 180 minutes ETOPS on the max, planned implementation date was 27/28th to allow time to have the additional rafts installed and ETOPS checks completed.

Some flights westbound may still go north of the OTS because the extra distance can out weigh the teeth of the jet stream at the lower altitudes that the max can achieve when heavy at around 350

ETOPS eastbound should allow for at least another 20 passengers or so.

[Mr @ Spotty M]

The first Max stationed in EDI had the changes made a few days back, but the aircraft as pointed out by EIFFS went Non ETOPS on its first flight after the changes, this due to wind/routing advantages.

[111KAB]

http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/articl...ng-out-of-cash

[davidjohnson6]

MOL has a habit of annoying rivals but he also has an uncanny knack of being right when making outspoken predictions in the airline industry

[Skipness One Echo]

The article claims pilots joining Norwegian get "permanent employment". So, no more contracting or self employed smoke and mirrors anymore?

[toledoashley]

IF terms of employment are better at Norwegian, MOL has nothing to complain about. In fact, maybe Norwegian should be shouting about this more...?

[EIFFS]

Skip ness

That's correct, agency contractor rolls stopped about 2-3 years ago.

The legal employer is OSM aviation which is part owned by Norwegian. So I guess some would say smoke & mirrors but it is permanent employment, tax & NI deducted at source.

The big attraction for Ryanair pilots is leaving Ryanair, everything else is a bonus (UK) including crew food, sick pay, pension, private medical, paid holidays, standby payment ( in addition to basic pay) positioning pay, hotel out of base, free uniform and acquiring points to replace items, downsides are that the roster is variable and for some having to pay tax as an employee,

[CabinCrewe]

Not often you hear major carriers in 'asset disposal' to potentially raise funds...
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/n...-unit-disposal

[inOban]

Both EDI flights are now on MAX8.