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Old 17th Oct 2020, 08:29
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Maybe an increased focus on cargo use at the airport with passenger traffic concentrated at SOU with its runway extension and better public transport links!
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Old 17th Oct 2020, 22:18
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Maybe an increased focus on cargo use at the airport with passenger traffic concentrated at SOU with its runway extension and better public transport links!
SOU doesn't even have its runway extension, let's see if it actually happens first.
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Old 18th Oct 2020, 09:33
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Both airports in this part of the country are pretty cr*p to be honest. The reason both are pretty terrible is cos they are in such close proximity! We don't need two airports within 30 miles of each other. Please - one or the other needs to be developed to its maximum potential.
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Old 18th Oct 2020, 09:38
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And how is that going to happen?
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Old 18th Oct 2020, 10:46
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Originally Posted by shamrock7seal View Post
Both airports in this part of the country are pretty cr*p to be honest. The reason both are pretty terrible is cos they are in such close proximity! We don't need two airports within 30 miles of each other. Please - one or the other needs to be developed to its maximum potential.
You could make the same argument re Liverpool vs Manchester, or East Midlands vs Birmingham.

There are too many airports close together in the UK. However, poor ground public transport to many airports don't make simplification easy. Too much reliance on milking pax on car parking charges.

I'd prefer Bournemouth's access to south coast over Southampton but BOH ground transportation links are non existent.
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Old 18th Oct 2020, 10:46
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And how is that going to happen?
Agreed, with great difficulty, SOU needs BOH's space, runway length and operational facilities, BOH needs SOU's transport links and its catchment.
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Old 18th Oct 2020, 11:46
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Originally Posted by Dropoffcharge View Post
Agreed, with great difficulty, SOU needs BOH's space, runway length and operational facilities, BOH needs SOU's transport links and its catchment.
And neither are ever going to happen. Both can co-exist and in my opinion and are moving in the right direction. SOU in growing its options for pax flights and BOH further diversifying with the cargo ops. BOH had around 40m thrown at it with the new terminal etc to become a pax airport, and the lowest ticket in town in FR. The truth is that no real growth has ever materialised and nor will it in my opinion. The best part of their catchment is on the other side of a national park that is never going to have a motorway put through it. Even a junction would be a multimillion investment at the tax payers expense which there will never be a strong enough business case for. Further diversifying their already varied business is a good move for BOH, and clearly a benefit when pax flights go through their regular downturns. It will be interesting to see if the cargo ops have a long term future or whether they are just PPE based. Stoddart is a bit of an opportunist as has been seen in the past.
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Old 18th Oct 2020, 12:04
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It will be interesting to see if the cargo ops have a long term future or whether they are just PPE based. Stoddart is a bit of an opportunist as has been seen in the past
And this just demonstrates some of the difficulties of these airport development debate - has BOH had any involvement in this diversification into cargo??
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Old 18th Oct 2020, 14:49
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Originally Posted by Rivet Joint View Post
And neither are ever going to happen. Both can co-exist and in my opinion and are moving in the right direction. SOU in growing its options for pax flights and BOH further diversifying with the cargo ops. BOH had around 40m thrown at it with the new terminal etc to become a pax airport, and the lowest ticket in town in FR. The truth is that no real growth has ever materialised and nor will it in my opinion. The best part of their catchment is on the other side of a national park that is never going to have a motorway put through it. Even a junction would be a multimillion investment at the tax payers expense which there will never be a strong enough business case for. Further diversifying their already varied business is a good move for BOH, and clearly a benefit when pax flights go through their regular downturns. It will be interesting to see if the cargo ops have a long term future or whether they are just PPE based. Stoddart is a bit of an opportunist as has been seen in the past.
Absolute drivel from you again!,BOH continues as the South Coast airport simply because it can and will diversify due to its airside development. At best SOU will continue
for the time being,but the pandemic if it continues will put a massive constraint on its viability,the airport can't offer anything further,the runway application is becoming
increasingly irrelevant,simply because there will not be routes to attract Paxs.
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Old 18th Oct 2020, 16:12
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Absolute drivel from you again!
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The irony...
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Old 24th Oct 2020, 09:23
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Interestingly the table at the end of the article shows that Bournemouth to Spain/Portugal with Ryanair being way more profitable than SOU with Flybe despite the massive fare differences.

​​​​​​https://www.anna.aero/2020/10/23/fly...till-unserved/
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Old 24th Oct 2020, 10:13
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Interestingly the table at the end of the article shows that Bournemouth to Spain/Portugal with Ryanair being way more profitable than SOU
Facts that's have been discussed time and time again between this and the SOU thread. BOH is a bucket and spade airport, SOU business and regional, so not surprising data, also full 737-8's vs E195's will always be more profitable.
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Old 24th Oct 2020, 11:01
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Really trying to bend an apple & pears comparison to fit a particular viewpoint.
Understood that generally so called "bucket & spade" routes operated at lower margin compared with higher end business routes.
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Old 24th Oct 2020, 11:04
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Originally Posted by Dropoffcharge View Post
Facts that's have been discussed time and time again between this and the SOU thread. BOH is a bucket and spade airport, SOU business and regional, so not surprising data, also full 737-8's vs E195's will always be more profitable.
However, if a LCC operated from SOU post extension, it would be interesting to see how the profitability would compare versus RYR on the Med routes in particular!
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Old 24th Oct 2020, 14:27
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However, if a LCC operated from SOU post extension, it would be interesting to see how the profitability would compare versus RYR on the Med routes in particular!
Two camps on this subject, IF a LCC at SOU were to come in and take on RYN at BOH then the seat price war would commence, think I know who my money would be on to win that battle.
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Old 24th Oct 2020, 19:22
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Originally Posted by Dropoffcharge View Post
Two camps on this subject, IF a LCC at SOU were to come in and take on RYN at BOH then the seat price war would commence, think I know who my money would be on to win that battle.
No seat price war would be necessary. As has been pointed out time and time again by those with any sense, SOU and BOH are completely different and target a different audience. Both can and will continue to co-exist, even if a LCC appears at SOU. FR will never be the right fit at SOU with their 737s, so they will almost certainly remain the lowest ticket even if EZY opened a base at SOU. The problem the posters on this thread have always had is that they ignore one very important word in business, which is yield. It is arguably the most important column in that table, even more than the profit one. Whilst the table shows that the comparable routes are more profitable at BOH, it also shows that the yield is more than double for each route at SOU. In simple terms this means that SOU has a market where enough people are willing to pay more than double the ticket prices that BOH offer, to the extent that each route nearly has an 80% load factor. There are not many businesses that charge more than double their local competitor and manage to still make a healthy profit. I would argue that if EZY or someone else did come along at SOU, they would not even need to engage in a price war with BOH, they could still charge double and make a profit, as BE have proved. They could even charge just 50% more than BOH, and perhaps increase that circa 80% load factor even more, taking some of BOHs passengers in the process. As I have already said though, I fully expect FR to soldier on at BOH even if a LCC carrier appeared on the scene at SOU. BOH is not centered around pax flights like SOU is, so it should not fear SOUs growth in that area.
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Old 24th Oct 2020, 23:19
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LOL

the point that’s missing here is that Flybe operated 78 seat Q400 on ALC for example so fares need to be double or they’d loose money completely. Plus I think you could operate a Q400 from pretty much any airstrip in the U.K. and get an 80% load factor... even competing with FR. A bigger aircraft then suddenly things look a lot more risky from SOU with its current weight limits. Unless of course the runway is extended...
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Old 25th Oct 2020, 11:36
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First TUI flight in over two weeks today – BOH-ACE.
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