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Old 22nd Nov 2019, 22:59
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Ryanair mopping up the extent of the current LDY - NW England market through LPL based on price?
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Old 22nd Nov 2019, 23:04
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Ryanair mopping up the extent of the current LDY - NW England market through LPL based on price?
I’d presume so. However did LM not previously operate LDY-MAN in the SF34 in the 2000s(ish) alongside Ryanair’s service to Liverpool? (that was at much higher frequency than present too) Yes it was a SF34 but still a tough market for both surely? Just shows how times have changed.
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Er.....as I said above. BA Regional operated the route. Mixture of Saabs and E145s. My last time using the route would have been circa 2002. An E145 “pencil jet” as the one member of cabin crew called it. Route was suspended very shortly after as BA Regional crashed.

LM were doing double daily to GLA, though all under the banner of BA, at the same time. I was a regular, and happy punter at the time.
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Er.....as I said above. BA Regional operated the route. Mixture of Saabs and E145s. My last time using the route would have been circa 2002. An E145 “pencil jet” as the one member of cabin crew called it. Route was suspended very shortly after as BA Regional crashed.

LM were doing double daily to GLA, though all under the banner of BA, at the same time. I was a regular, and happy punter at the time.
BA Regional operated to MAN from the mid 90’s until 2003 using Jetstream 41’s and E145’s at the weekend. LM took over the route then using SF34’s and Short 360’s until about 2005. Aer Aran stepped in for a couple of years before pulling the route in about 2007/8. Flybe took it in 2012 with the Dash 8’s for 6 months, and now of course LM are back on it, sort of.
LM certainly were doing 2 x daily GLA, but not at the same time they were doing MAN. A night stopping SF34 would do LDY-DUB-LDY-MAN-LDY-GLA, with another Saab coming back later that evening from GLA to do the evening DUB as well.
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When LM flew as BA MAN was a BA hub so it was possible to book LDY-MAN-XXX without the need to collect bags etc. Now MAN T3 is a mess and having to go land side is no fun. Perhaps with the FlyBe/Virgin Connect link MAN will again become a possible hub from LDY. But then FlyBE seem to being axing most of its European SH routes. EMB135/145 and SF3 were originally designed to feed hubs or for thin high revenue routes - FR dominates the point to point.
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LDY Peak Summer Schedules 2020 (As of 22/12/19):



Overall a few changes in the past few weeks has seen MAN go from 4 to 5 weekly over the summer holidays with the return on a Saturday service. It has also seen the removal of the extra SEN services on Fridays and Sundays, however Saturdays second rotation as been maintained. This has allowed MAN times to be moved on Friday/Sundays to be consistent with the rest of the week and will now be operated by an LDY based ER4 instead of a NWI ER3 (Due to the closure of the base at NWI) as they have been on Sunday nights recently. As for Glasgow, Sunday's flight is now a little later.

Very little change with FR as expected, however EDI times have been moved by 5 minutes on Sunday nights.

Overall it's a pity about the extra SEN services being dropped, but at least MAN seems to be gaining momentum again. I'd also expect GLA to change slightly as it is very prone to chopping and changing from the initial published schedule. (Changed massively 3 times before/during last summer,)
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CAA stats for November 2019:

LDY movements:

554 (2019) = +22%

432 (2018)

Passenger Numbers:

18,005 (2019) = +6%

16,914 (2018)

Passengers per route:

- EDINBURGH = 7204 = +11%
- GLASGOW = 1010 = +4%
- LIVERPOOL = 5831 = +0%
- LONDON (SEN) = 3312 = -9% (When compared to STN)
- MANCHESTER = 648 = (NEW)

Load Factors:

- EDINBURGH = 87%
- GLASGOW = 64%
- LIVERPOOL = 91%
- LONDON (SEN) = 61%
- MANCHESTER = 56%


12 Month Rolling:

Passengers: 201,598.



Finally as always merry Christmas to all! I wish you all a healthy and prosperous new year too!


This is equally SEN related this is an interesting one. I wonder if the higher temperatures during the summer could affect the SEN service like it does with a few others out of there, albeit it would need a fairly full flight.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.i...266.html%3famp

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Dec stats are out. 18419 through CoDA in Dec. Increase of 13% on Dec 2018.
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Originally Posted by cuthere
Dec stats are out. 18419 through CoDA in Dec. Increase of 13% on Dec 2018.
Cheers mate, will have the full DEC/Full year stats ready later.
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I’ll look forward to it Fly757X. You’ve more patience than I do!

Cheers!
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CAA stats for December 2019:

LDY movements:

404 (2019) = +11%

363 (2018)

Passenger Numbers:

18,419 (2019) = +13%

16,239 (2018)

Passengers per route:

- EDINBURGH = 7126 = +14%
- GLASGOW = 1220 = +16%
- LIVERPOOL = 5614 = +10%
- LONDON (SEN) = 3417 = -11% (When compared to STN)
- MANCHESTER = 926 = (NEW)

Load Factors:

- EDINBURGH = 94%
- GLASGOW = 72%
- LIVERPOOL = 83%
- LONDON (SEN) = 60%
- MANCHESTER = 62%


12 Month Rolling:

Passengers: 203,778


Good month overall. I'm going to delay publishing the Year End stats. I have some value already done however looking at some there is some small discrepancies. I'll just wait until the full 2019 sheet is on the CAA website.
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94% LF on Edi, albeit in a month including a busy holiday period, is quite impressive!
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Originally Posted by cuthere
94% LF on Edi, albeit in a month including a busy holiday period, is quite impressive!
It is indeed, it’s certainly came on leaps and bounds from last year. SEN is certainly disappointing however we all expected the decrease.
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If I recall rightly, there was at least one LDY-SEN-LDY cancellation in Dec.
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Originally Posted by cuthere
If I recall rightly, there was at least one LDY-SEN-LDY cancellation in Dec.
I seem to remember that too but I must’ve miss counted, I’ll have another look tonight cheers!
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Originally Posted by cuthere
If I recall rightly, there was at least one LDY-SEN-LDY cancellation in Dec.
Had a quick look there on FR24, nothing showing however there was a few significant delays on the LM647/648 around the Christmas Period.
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CAA stats for 2019:

LDY movements:

7,098 (2019) = +12%

6,330 (2018)

Passenger Numbers:

203,778 (2019) = +10%

185,843 (2018)

Passengers per route:

- EDINBURGH = 76,987 = +474%
- GLASGOW = 14,363 = -78%
- LIVERPOOL = 58,533 = +1%
- LONDON (SEN) = 7,319 = (NEW)
- LONDON (STN) =
36,709 = -23%
- MANCHESTER = 9,518 = (NEW)

Load Factors:

- EDINBURGH = 80%
- GLASGOW = 64%
- LIVERPOOL = 87%
- LONDON (SEN) = 60%
- LONDON (STN) = 71%
- MANCHESTER = 57%

Average Load Factor: 72%.

Overall a positive year. Points to note:

- EDI had a strong second half of the year.
- GLA has remained consistent throughout despite numerous schedule changes mid season.
- MAN was very inconsistent, prices also remained fairly low throughout so I'd imagine yields were relatively poor away from peak summer.
- The switch from STN to SEN for the London PSO has seen a considerable drop in LF's.
- The ever present LPL service is still working at around where it has for the last few years.

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CAA stats for January 2020:

LDY movements:

418 (2020) = -26%

566 (2019)

Passenger Numbers:

15,199 (2020) = +5%

14,536 (2019)

Passengers per route:

- EDINBURGH = 6118 = +16%
- GLASGOW = 722 = -2%
- LIVERPOOL = <!--td {border: 1px solid #ccc;}br {mso-data-placement:same-cell;}-->5356 = +8%
- LONDON (SEN) = 2795 = -13% (When compared to STN)
- MANCHESTER = 115 = (NEW)

Load Factors:

- EDINBURGH = 74%
- GLASGOW = 49%
- LIVERPOOL = = 79%
- LONDON (SEN) = 51%
- MANCHESTER = 59%


12 Month Rolling:

Passengers: 204,441
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Looks to me like loganair need to consider a ,Ive for their London operations to City like they have with Dundee.
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For some reason the CAA returns supplied by SEN for their domestic routes report lower numbers than do the airports that they serve. In this instance SEN declared 2,795 pax for January while LDY declared 2,888.
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