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Old 17th Feb 2019, 15:14
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LY-DAT (AT45) doing LM209/210 tonight as G-SAJC has been committed to the former BMI Airbus Contract from Exeter.
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 15:25
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Personally after the further Loganair announcements today I believe it will be them, sounds like they're going to tap into BMI's fleet further than the 4 that they we're initially getting too so hopefully we should see a bigger presence from them in the future.
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 15:29
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Agreed Fly757X. They’re taking on routes from both Aberdeen and Newcastle. Makes sense they’d take on the PSO. Now, if only they could find a 737....
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Agreed Fly757X. They’re taking on routes from both Aberdeen and Newcastle. Makes sense they’d take on the PSO. Now, if only they could find a 737....
That will never happen, nor would it be logical for the airline I'm afraid, I personally think the biggest Loganair will ever go is maybe an AT76 (after they get their AT45/6s) on their trunk routes (INV-MAN) etc.
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That will never happen, nor would it be logical for the airline I'm afraid, I personally think the biggest Loganair will ever go is maybe an AT76 (after they get their AT45/6s) on their trunk routes (INV-MAN) etc.
i wasn’t being entirely (read: remotely) serious.

AirportPlanner1. I found the transfer really easy. If there were any flights from NI to SEN, I for one would happily use them.
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i wasn’t being entirely (read: remotely) serious.

AirportPlanner1. I found the transfer really easy. If there were any flights from NI to SEN, I for one would happily use them.
Sorry if I came off as harsh back there, tough few weeks for me leaving me with little humour at the present time.
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 17:59
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The small size of the aircraft and the price was a problem for me. If they're just going to bring in another small aircraft, with similar £120 return fares, they may as well can the route.
Ownec - are you suggesting £120 is a lot to fly LDY-STN and return??
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Not at all Fly757 - you’re grand. One of the few sane voices on these forums.

SWBKCB - take Owen with the pinch of salt he deserves. I’ve never settled on whether he’s a world class troll, or a fifteen year old.
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Ownec - are you suggesting £120 is a lot to fly LDY-STN and return??
It's not a reasonable price, no. I flew from Derry to Stansted, monthly from 2015-2017. Fares were always around £40-£60 return. I now fly from Belfast on Ryanair/Easyjet and a similar range of £40-£70 applies.

BMI regional often charge £100-£180, for a return flight booked weeks in advance. I have never seen a return flight under £90 on their site.

I just booked a one way flight on British Airways, with an Emergency Exit row at short notice for £80. BMI regional does not offer a superior product, so there is no justification in the prices that they charge, with a government subsidy.
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 18:07
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I wonder where this leaves this "announced" Manchester route, surely if it was Loganair they would look into it too? I do wonder whether this could be a blessing in disguise (for the airport) again however unlike the announcement of cessation of GLA with Ryanair last year... I don't see many positives to be grabbed at here.

Again I feel a great deal of sympathy for the local crew here. I know that a few of them are from far flung places and I was introduced to one of the local line Engineers for a time recently, (who will remain nameless of course.) It couldn't have happened to nicer and more accommodating people if I'm honest and I wish them all the best in the future, hopefully they will stay close by.
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BMI regional does not offer a superior product, so there is no justification in the prices that they charge, with a government subsidy.
The superior product is that you can fly from LDY.

How do you get to Belfast for free - getting beamed there by supernatural powers? Is there no monetary value linked to the time you waste having to go to Belfast instead of departing from your doorstep?
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 21:37
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Myself wife and daughter where due to do LDY-STN-LDY this coming Thursday and back Sunday.

Thankfully managed to get Easyjet flights from BFS-STN and they actually came in more expensive than the Flybmi prices plus we have to add in parking for approx £50 and a stay in the Maldron as its an early morning departure. The whole shenanigans has added around £150 to the cost. I don't know how Ryanair are getting away with their BFS prices, bordering on extortion at the moment.

There is no doubt that for the leisure foot passenger the Flybmi LDY product was expensive most of the times but not all the times. I used to monitor the prices and quite often when you factored in the Airporter and/or parking in BFS the Flybmi was around the same as BFS.

But with suitcases even cheaper prices could be had. For the last 2 summers we've flown on Jet2 holidays from Stansted. The same holidays where available from BFS with Jet2. It was actually cheaper for us to fly to STN from LDY with Flybmi, stay in Raddison Stansted hotel for 1 night and then off to Faro/Malta for the holiday rather than booking the holiday with Jet2 from Belfast. No joke, on each holiday I saved around £450.

I was planning to do the same this year but that looks like a non starter.

Overall Flybmi will be missed. I feel really bad for the staff. Can't recall his name but there was a fella from Strabane who was a steward on the little E-145 jet, he used to work for Ryanair and then moved to Flybmi when they started from Derry, he was a gentlemen and was a credit to the airline.

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Anyways...

As would be expected Loganair has expressed its interest to operate over the LDY/STN PSO service.

A source close to talks has claimed Loganair "was in advanced discussions about STN".
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 06:00
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Originally Posted by cuthere


Indeed. Apologies for straying off topic, but I will always call out BS. Anyway. Hopefully the swift actions of the council as well as government appetite to provide funding, will mean a LON route is reinstated sooner rather than later. I doubt slots are an issue at STN, so hopefully that won’t prove to be an stumbling block.
Actually slots are an issue at STN but unless someone has swooped to purchase in last 48 hours (are they BMIR’s anyway?) a new operator could probably fly the same schedule.
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Originally Posted by southside bobby
Anyways...

As would be expected Loganair has expressed its interest to operate over the LDY/STN PSO service.

A source close to talks has claimed Loganair "was in advanced discussions about STN".
Hopefully with Loganair MAN can be spared over time too due to their presence there already.
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 07:16
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A number of airlines... announcement to be made in the next few days... Strap in folks!
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Originally Posted by scodaman
Myself wife and daughter where due to do LDY-STN-LDY this coming Thursday and back Sunday.

Thankfully managed to get Easyjet flights from BFS-STN and they actually came in more expensive than the Flybmi prices plus we have to add in parking for approx £50 and a stay in the Maldron as its an early morning departure. The whole shenanigans has added around £150 to the cost. I don't know how Ryanair are getting away with their BFS prices, bordering on extortion at the moment.

Overall Flybmi will be missed. I feel really bad for the staff. Can't recall his name but there was a fella from Strabane who was a steward on the little E-145 jet, he used to work for Ryanair and then moved to Flybmi when they started from Derry, he was a gentlemen and was a credit to the airline.
I know who you mean. Was fantastic, was on a day return flight I booked last year (£92) to sample BMI Regional.
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 14:32
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Logan is owned by the same bunch that own Flybmi. What a remarkable coincidence. They’re already ‘looking’ crew for LDY. The real losers are the Flybmi advance bookers who will pay twice for the same product.
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 14:45
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Will DOT not have to re-tender the PSO again? Loganair could be an intern operator but I suspect bigger players might be interested.
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 15:42
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If the airport has any sense they will look for a new operator in the longer term but in the short term Logan would be in a position to get it running very quickly. Not sure who the bigger players would be. Everyone will say they’re interested but that’s just a cheap way of getting a few media hits. Ryan will always be interested if you line their pockets with enough silver, Easyjet are convinced this just distracts them from BFS operations, Stobart will be interested but probably to run it through Southend. It’s a regional turboprop gig at best. No place for the 100+ seaters.
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