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Old 29th Jan 2019, 19:03
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Originally Posted by Amelia Earhart
Was there not the demand for a 3rd rotation to Stansted? At one stage there used to be 150K pax p.a. on the STN route. There is currently about 50K pax. A 3rd rotation could have increased that to 75K which is similar to the number carried by Ryanair after they reduced Stansted to one rotation.

I have to confess I have had to fly from BFS as the times from LDY did not suit. An extra rotation would have made the difference.

MAN and BHX could have been added on another plane. Of course that would depend on BMI regional having an available plane.....
With BMI shearing away at their fleet at the minute this will be unlikely until these fantasy E-Jets or CRJs arrive so that the ERJs can be redeployed...


Anyway, next for the airport that they've got their beloved Manchester... Dublin/Birmingham? Dublin obviously would require daily UK customs at CoDA.Also, it will be interesting to see where they take these "talks with other carriers" in regards to sun routes. I personally see Balkan Holidays to Burgas as a reasonable target and one that has been proven in the past. (Derry was listed on their site for S19 a while back)

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Old 2nd Feb 2019, 14:32
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Obviously reinstating a Birmingham flight is the next big target for LDY but I note that LDY flew 50K more passengers to Liverpool last year than BHD did.

BHD doesn't have Bristol or Newcastle routes either.

LDY did formerly have 40K pax p.a. to BRS but has never had a route to Newcastle.

Both Newcastle and Bristol airports have more passengers than Liverpool airport.

However even if LDY got these three routes its passenger numbers would not exceed the peak of 2008 as it lacks the frequency on the routes that the other two airports have.
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Old 5th Feb 2019, 18:33
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There were the usual complaints and calls for the airport to be closed after the striking of the new rate by Derry City and Strabane council.

The airport is expected to need the usual £2 million subsidy this year. (For comparison, this is less than street sweeping, something that is entirely unnecessary if people would simply use what few litter bins there are.)

However Altnagelvin hospital also costs money, should it be closed?

It's a while since the fire brigade turned a profit, shut them down!

The roads need an annual subsidy via road tax for each car, block them off!

Northern Irish Railways are subsidised, mothball the lines they failed to in the 1960s!

The social security offices are just handing out money, lock the doors!

In fact the only part of the public sector making a profit is the tax office. Leave it open. Oh, too late, they've all been closed and moved to Belfast already.
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Old 5th Feb 2019, 19:27
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Originally Posted by Amelia Earhart
There were the usual complaints and calls for the airport to be closed after the striking of the new rate by Derry City and Strabane council.

The airport is expected to need the usual £2 million subsidy this year. (For comparison, this is less than street sweeping, something that is entirely unnecessary if people would simply use what few litter bins there are.)

However Altnagelvin hospital also costs money, should it be closed?

It's a while since the fire brigade turned a profit, shut them down!

The roads need an annual subsidy via road tax for each car, block them off!

Northern Irish Railways are subsidised, mothball the lines they failed to in the 1960s!

The social security offices are just handing out money, lock the doors!

In fact the only part of the public sector making a profit is the tax office. Leave it open. Oh, too late, they've all been closed and moved to Belfast already.
Wonderfully put - I really don't understand the obsession in the UK that requires public transport to turn a profit.Public transport provides infinite non-tangible benefits to a nation.
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Old 6th Feb 2019, 09:13
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Originally Posted by Fly757X
the airport that they've got their beloved Manchester...
Wow. Anyone reading this would wonder why bother with CODA at all if that's the attitude. So you personally would have preferred a BHX service - that's not how it works.

1. How many of those 50k LPL pax are going to the Manchester area anyway - a good few I reckon.
2. How many in the CODA catchment area head down the road to BFS to get one of the RYR or EZY flights to MAN - again a good few.
3. The MAN catchment area is significantly larger than BHX despite the close presence of LPL and LBA - that is why MAN is two and a half to three times the sixe of BHX - it's not an accident.
4. Let's say the point to point traffic is similar LDY-MAN/BHX...you'd still go for MAN every time because of its huge network v/v BHX or even STN. With the right marketing agreements and ticketing deals it should be possible to book and fly routes such as LDY - HKG / SIN / BOM etc etc all through MAN. With the best will in the world you'll never get that at BHX. Therefore the economic value of a MAN route to the Derry region is significantly greater than a BHX route. Maybe that's why it is 'beloverd'.
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Originally Posted by Amelia Earhart
There were the usual complaints and calls for the airport to be closed after the striking of the new rate by Derry City and Strabane council.

The airport is expected to need the usual £2 million subsidy this year. (For comparison, this is less than street sweeping, something that is entirely unnecessary if people would simply use what few litter bins there are.)

However Altnagelvin hospital also costs money, should it be closed?

It's a while since the fire brigade turned a profit, shut them down!

The roads need an annual subsidy via road tax for each car, block them off!

Northern Irish Railways are subsidised, mothball the lines they failed to in the 1960s!

The social security offices are just handing out money, lock the doors!

In fact the only part of the public sector making a profit is the tax office. Leave it open. Oh, too late, they've all been closed and moved to Belfast already.
Wonderful!
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Old 6th Feb 2019, 09:32
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Originally Posted by FFMAN
Wow. Anyone reading this would wonder why bother with CODA at all if that's the attitude. So you personally would have preferred a BHX service - that's not how it works.

1. How many of those 50k LPL pax are going to the Manchester area anyway - a good few I reckon.
2. How many in the CODA catchment area head down the road to BFS to get one of the RYR or EZY flights to MAN - again a good few.
3. The MAN catchment area is significantly larger than BHX despite the close presence of LPL and LBA - that is why MAN is two and a half to three times the sixe of BHX - it's not an accident.
4. Let's say the point to point traffic is similar LDY-MAN/BHX...you'd still go for MAN every time because of its huge network v/v BHX or even STN. With the right marketing agreements and ticketing deals it should be possible to book and fly routes such as LDY - HKG / SIN / BOM etc etc all through MAN. With the best will in the world you'll never get that at BHX. Therefore the economic value of a MAN route to the Derry region is significantly greater than a BHX route. Maybe that's why it is 'beloverd'.
Personally I would’ve preferred Manchester however, considering how miserable the last attempt at it was it really has suprised me that they’ve got it back. Services to the Midlands from CoDA have always been seen as the wiser choice, operated for around 10 years (switched from EMA to BHX) I’ve heard from many locally that BHX is very much the preferred option out of those two. Not to say Manchester isn’t, it would be very close but I’ll be interested to see how it will run along side LPL.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 12:05
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Good news for a change for NI Aviation.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 13:12
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Hopefully confirmation of MAN will follow.
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 15:58
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Strong rumours that flybmi have collapsed. Desperately sad for their staff if true. From a wholly selfish perspective, where does this leave LDY’s PSO? (All rumour at the minute)
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Their website says the company has collapsed.
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It's no longer a rumour........
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 18:18
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Pretty sorry sight for S19 with the amount of rotations that have been lost after them previously running or being announced earlier. STN should be spared as it is a PSO however I'm unsure as to how.
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I suppose they just re tender the pso but still sad news for all the staff involved
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 18:22
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Sad day
From BBC

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47267901
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 18:26
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Loganair are back operating at the airport. Could they pick up the PSO?

They currently operate the Stansted PSO from Dundee.

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Old 16th Feb 2019, 19:30
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Originally Posted by Amelia Earhart
Loganair are back operating at the airport. Could they pick up the PSO?
They currently operate the STN-DND route under PSO, so it would seem logical for them to consider taking on the STN-LDY route as well.
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 20:07
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It needs to be on a 737 or similar with two daily. BMI was too small with expensive fares! Unrealistic and unpalatable.
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Originally Posted by owenc
It needs to be on a 737 or similar with two daily. BMI was too small with expensive fares! Unrealistic and unpalatable.
185,843 passengers used the airport in 2018, a 58% reduction since its peak in 2008, and the airport's lowest passenger figures since 2000. [According to the City of Derry Airport page on Wikipedia]

EZY/FR might be able to make it work as they already have substantial bases at STN, but based on the above data, is there really enough demand to fill a B737/A319?
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