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Old 22nd Dec 2017, 18:10
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Well my flight into BRS now delayed until 18:30 tomorrow.
Thanks EJ for showing it on-time again, after showing delayed, which lured me to the airport. Whats the point of an app on peoples phones if you post the wrong information.
But yes there must be more to this if AAIB want to inspect.... or a massive jobsworth over-reaction...
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Old 22nd Dec 2017, 18:17
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Same with roads/motorway accidents etc these days - seems to have started 15-20 years ago ... you know motorways etc being closed for 20+ hours with literally hundreds of thousands, possible on occasions in the Midlands, millions of people being affected.
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Old 22nd Dec 2017, 18:18
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Come on, zero wind, no ice or snow. It'll have to be a damn good excuse for me to retract that.
200m vis and possibly a 40 ton aircraft sunk up to the gear door in wet mud? Have you seen how long it takes to shift a lorry stuck in the mud on the side of the road?
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Old 22nd Dec 2017, 18:27
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From bristol post Twitter feed

"Guessing it will be a long time since the front wheel has buckled so it will be very hard for you to move the plane

4:56 PM - Dec 22, 2017"
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Old 22nd Dec 2017, 18:34
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A bit of perspective - A lot of people are working their backsides off getting passengers bussed to EMA, CFW and others to meet their diverted incoming flights and get away a few hours late. Everyone is working hard to minimise disruption but capacity is limited on one of the busiest days of the year.

Getting the aircraft out of the mud is probably going to need airbags and other specialist kit which will need to be trucked in from somewhere else, it is going to take time to sort out.

Sods law [1] applies, it had to happen on the worst possible day.

[1] Murphy was an optimist.
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Old 22nd Dec 2017, 18:40
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The whole aircraft is several meters off the runway.

WWW
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Old 22nd Dec 2017, 18:41
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Bristol = Middle of the world
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Old 22nd Dec 2017, 18:51
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Jumping to conclusions

All this pontification...
It may be prudent to let AAIB do their work. It's likely we don't know the full picture.
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Old 22nd Dec 2017, 18:57
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I hope they release the Cockpit Voice Recorder in due course.

You are allowed one guess as to the xxxx word in: "Oh xxxx".

Spare a thought for the pilots. It might be more than just Christmas that is disrupted for them.

Jack

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Old 22nd Dec 2017, 18:58
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The runway will be closed to further traffic because of the fog and therefore LVP's are in force, with the aircraft having only just vacated the runway its most likely still within the ILS Cat II protected area.

Had it happened with better weather conditions and a safe margin existed for departing aircraft I am sure ATC would have continued airport ops once everything was deemed safe.

Only my best guess but lets give everyone the benefit of doubt, at least its not a major incident/accident only a few delays.
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Old 22nd Dec 2017, 19:04
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Thanks for the photo. First one we've seen.
Is it off the end having failed to make a complete 90 turn to vacate 27?
Caught out on the rollout by the lowering vis going up the hill to the 09 threshold?
DR had a similar problem some years ago but kept it on the harder stopway. Much easier to recover.
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Old 22nd Dec 2017, 19:06
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Originally Posted by gearlever
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Absolutely right gearlever!

And the airfield being owned by the Ontario Teachers Pension Plan does not suggest there is a competent management in place to organise things for an event like this.

This is not the first time that Bristol Airport has been found lacking in terms of appropriate equipment to keep an airfield open for the level of aircraft movements now being seen daily.
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Old 22nd Dec 2017, 19:40
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It is sad, indeed pathetic to read so many whinging comments on this accident. Notwithstanding the inconvenience caused to so many, it is not the ‘jobsworths’ causing the problems but the practicalities associated with accidents such as this and which lay people have little or no knowledge.

It may appear to be ‘simple taxying’ accident but the AAIB need to establish the cause, including the root causes which may be myriad.

Removing an aircraft from unpaved surfaces, whilst causing minimum damage to the aircraft, is not a simple task and requires specialist equipment and personnel not normally available at regional airports and maybe not even available locally.

Aviation is so safe in 2017 only because it has learned from thorough investigation of accidents in the past. As seasoned professionals, the AAIB [who probably also wish to be at home on a Christmas Friday] will only have refused to allow movement of the aircraft for a good reason.

Similarly the Bristol Airport Authority will have no wish to cause inconvenience to their customers.

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Old 22nd Dec 2017, 19:53
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I am cheerfully reminded of George Kennedy in the first Airport movie - stick a cigar in your mouth and gun it out !
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Old 22nd Dec 2017, 20:02
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Well said Helen49.

No one on here has a clue as to the exact nature of the incident, cause or anything else. Then hoss183 rocks up with his "Dolt" comment. Wow. He must he an expert in accident investigation. I certainly hope he's not a pilot, with CRM skills like that !

Makes you wander who the "Dolt" actually is. No ?

Lets just be thankful no one was injured.
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Old 22nd Dec 2017, 20:04
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Now 2300 earliest reopening.
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Old 22nd Dec 2017, 20:14
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Note on BRS website now saying runway won't re-open until 2300 at the earliest, meaning the runway will have been shut for nearly 12 hours, assuming it opens at 2300 which is the latest 'guestimate'.

Not unreasonably, there are many people asking why it's taking so long.
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Old 22nd Dec 2017, 20:26
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Originally Posted by The Ancient Geek
A bit of perspective - A lot of people are working their backsides off getting passengers bussed to EMA, CFW and others to meet their diverted incoming flights and get away a few hours late. Everyone is working hard to minimise disruption but capacity is limited on one of the busiest days of the year.

Getting the aircraft out of the mud is probably going to need airbags and other specialist kit which will need to be trucked in from somewhere else, it is going to take time to sort out.

Sods law [1] applies, it had to happen on the worst possible day.

[1] Murphy was an optimist.
While we are on the subject of accuracy, the code CFW does not exist. If you meant Cardiff, it's CWL.
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Old 22nd Dec 2017, 21:36
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I saw a still from ITV WestCountry Tonight, and it appears the aircraft has completely left the taxiway, and is substantially into the grassed area - all the wheels are on the grass, and I assume it's sinking down moderately quickly, which is going to make "pulling" it out awkward.

If it's as far into the grass as it appears from the still image, then it didn't just slide off the edge at low speed.
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Old 22nd Dec 2017, 22:21
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Still not accepting flights at 23:20.

TUI have held over CWL for about 40 minutes but diverted to BHX. FR and KL still flying tight circles over the airfield, but have been for 20 minutes or so now.
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