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787 ops from BRS
I knew about the Dubrovnik, Cancun x 2 and Sanford but not the Larnaca or Dalaman.
Sal on the...………….I thought the 757 was not operating from BRS in 2019 or was that just rumour? I know the 738's can operate Gatwick to Cape Verde but Bristol?
Not a bad with 5 based aircraft some days.
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I knew about the Dubrovnik, Cancun x 2 and Sanford but not the Larnaca or Dalaman.
Sal on the...………….I thought the 757 was not operating from BRS in 2019 or was that just rumour? I know the 738's can operate Gatwick to Cape Verde but Bristol?
Not a bad with 5 based aircraft some days.
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787 ops from BRS
I knew about the Dubrovnik, Cancun x 2 and Sanford but not the Larnaca or Dalaman.
Sal on the...………….I thought the 757 was not operating from BRS in 2019 or was that just rumour? I know the 738's can operate Gatwick to Cape Verde but Bristol?
Not a bad with 5 based aircraft some days.
Pete
I knew about the Dubrovnik, Cancun x 2 and Sanford but not the Larnaca or Dalaman.
Sal on the...………….I thought the 757 was not operating from BRS in 2019 or was that just rumour? I know the 738's can operate Gatwick to Cape Verde but Bristol?
Not a bad with 5 based aircraft some days.
Pete
The change seems to be Sal. It was originally assumed to be a 787 job - the type operated the route last summer - but the Sal 787 now appears to have been shifted to Dalaman.
It does seem that BRS's two based 757s will be gone by summer 19 apparently to be replaced by two 738s giving a base of 4 x 738 plus a 787-8 operating five days each week, so the 787 will be seen for an extra day each week compared with summer 2018. It must be presumed that Sal will be a 738 next summer - a huge drop in capacity from a 787 which saw high load factors last summer. If the 757s are going that will obviously amount to a loss of many thousands of seats next summer.
The airport management said recently that it still expects 2019 to pass through the 9 mppa barrier. 2018 is ikely to finish between 8.6 million and 8.7 million. Reaching 9 mppa would represent a smaller annual passenger increase than recent years have seen but with TUI's apparent drop in capacity and only middling increases by easyJet, the main supplier of growth at the airport, it's difficult to see where the extra passengers will come from to meet the airport's projection. However, the third Thomas Cook based aircraft will alternate between a 320 and a 321 in various parts of the summer according to another website. That would mean that at times the base would be 3 x 321s. If so that should add a few thousand extra seats but would not compensate entirely for the TUI drop.
I've read no official announcements that the 757s are going or that Thomas Cook will be upgrading its third aircraft at times next summer, but the TUI 757 'rumour' does seem to be generally accepted as being true.
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Improved surface access as part of a Master plan??
Bristol needs an Mway round the east and south sides in any case
Bristol needs an Mway round the east and south sides in any case
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Thank you MV and even if it was 4 x 738's it is still impressive schedule and at least the type of aircraft at each base is slowly creeping into the public domain with the MAX schedule posted on the same site yesterday.Have TUI maintained their planned winter schedule as BHX has seen some cuts for the next six weeks above and beyond the normal winter reductions and the Bristol midweek TUI flights look quite light at times in January.
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I think the only difference this January for TUI at BRS compared with last is the absence of Malaga. Otherwise, the flights are the same as last year, albeit one or two days have changed.
Recent years have seen a summer complement of 2 x 757s and 2 x 738s plus the 787-8 appearing several days each week, so lo see the 757s replaced by 738s is obviously a backward step.
My pal was a skipper at BRS for TOM (prev Air 2000 A320/321) on the Boeing 757/767 for many years and he just retired a couple of years ago.
He loved the 757 (and the Airbus)
He knew well before his retirement the Company's plans, much to his disappointment that the 757's were going for good around now and told me that the 738 and MAX were not the most ideal equipment to operate high density and HGW ops in and out of the airport (BRS) due to their lower crosswind limitations that the 757 could cope with plus higher approach speeds of the 738 combined with BRS's shortish runway.
Had he not retired early he mentioned he would go back on the A320 family that he flew after leaving the RAF
He loved the 757 (and the Airbus)
He knew well before his retirement the Company's plans, much to his disappointment that the 757's were going for good around now and told me that the 738 and MAX were not the most ideal equipment to operate high density and HGW ops in and out of the airport (BRS) due to their lower crosswind limitations that the 757 could cope with plus higher approach speeds of the 738 combined with BRS's shortish runway.
Had he not retired early he mentioned he would go back on the A320 family that he flew after leaving the RAF
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I've read about 738s not being the most ideal aircraft for BRS before rog, although being a layman in this field I have no idea of the detailed technical reasons, albeit you have given a summary.
TUI has had 738s based at BRS alongside the 757s for the past few years. I have no idea what if any operational constraints have been thrown up. Ryanair also operates the type from BRS of course and has done so for many years.
On another subject the AAIB report has been published on the incident in December 2017 when a bmi regional (as it was then called) E145 left the runway after landing.
https://assets.publishing.service.go...CKAG_01-19.pdf
The report concludes that the accident arose "as a result of the inadvertent selection of the Emergency/Parking brake instead of the speed brake".
TUI has had 738s based at BRS alongside the 757s for the past few years. I have no idea what if any operational constraints have been thrown up. Ryanair also operates the type from BRS of course and has done so for many years.
On another subject the AAIB report has been published on the incident in December 2017 when a bmi regional (as it was then called) E145 left the runway after landing.
https://assets.publishing.service.go...CKAG_01-19.pdf
The report concludes that the accident arose "as a result of the inadvertent selection of the Emergency/Parking brake instead of the speed brake".
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Bristol Airport has been closed since around 2100 yesterday with the last dozen or so inbound flights of the day diverted to BHX and CWL. BRS remains closed following continuous snowfall overnight and all morning. Nearly all today's 86 airline departures have now been cancelled.
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Bristol Airport has been closed since around 2100 yesterday with the last dozen or so inbound flights of the day diverted to BHX and CWL. BRS remains closed following continuous snowfall overnight and all morning. Nearly all today's 86 airline departures have now been cancelled.
Back in 2017 after G-CKAG had run off the runway, they did a similar thing the next day.
For an airline that has sh1t customer service and an airline that many posters are adamant that they wouldn't fly with, it's not been a bad response either time...
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Cagliari
Eindhoven
Montpellier
Perpignan
Toulon
Trieste
2009 was the last year that BRS saw a fall in overall annual passenger numbers and only the second time in the past 27 years. The recession was biting hard and, with hindsight, it might not have been an ideal time to introduce so many new destinations.
Of the above routes, only Cagliari has been tried since, for one summer season by bmi regional (as it then was) for a tour operator.
easyJet has eight other French routes from BRS, some seasonal, so it will be interesting to see how Montpellier performs with them.
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New (old) route - Ryanair launches 2x weekly BRS-MXP
Ryanair has launched a new route to MXP from BRS that will depart mid-afternoon Wed and Sun, operated by a MXP based aircraft.
The first flight is on Sun 26th May, and it operates 2x weekly through till the end of October (we will have to wait for the winter schedule to be released to see if this will be a year-round route).
This new MXP route will compliment Ryanair's year-round 3x weekly BGY route which operates Tue, Thu & Sat.
Ryanair has launched a new route to MXP from BRS that will depart mid-afternoon Wed and Sun, operated by a MXP based aircraft.
The first flight is on Sun 26th May, and it operates 2x weekly through till the end of October (we will have to wait for the winter schedule to be released to see if this will be a year-round route).
This new MXP route will compliment Ryanair's year-round 3x weekly BGY route which operates Tue, Thu & Sat.
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flybmi goes under
flybmi have gone under this evening. All flights cancelled and aircraft repositioning to various UK points, and crews repatriated.
It's very sad. They were very useful for all my intra-European flying, and almost all the crews I had were superb.
I wonder what the airport will do to get connected back to Germany? Eurowings? I still think a sensible frequency to Frankfurt and/or Munich would be the most sustainable approach, rather than too many diverse and 'thin' routes.
It's very sad. They were very useful for all my intra-European flying, and almost all the crews I had were superb.
I wonder what the airport will do to get connected back to Germany? Eurowings? I still think a sensible frequency to Frankfurt and/or Munich would be the most sustainable approach, rather than too many diverse and 'thin' routes.
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Anyway, very sad news. In the scheme of things BM was a very small airline but it will leave a big hole in the BRS route map.
I wonder what if any of the BRS network was profitable and whether any airlines will fill the void?
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Or BHX depending on your location. It might be worth checking if taking a refund and rebooking yourself is cheaper.
Anyway, very sad news. In the scheme of things BM was a very small airline but it will leave a big hole in the BRS route map.
I wonder what if any of the BRS network was profitable and whether any airlines will fill the void?
Anyway, very sad news. In the scheme of things BM was a very small airline but it will leave a big hole in the BRS route map.
I wonder what if any of the BRS network was profitable and whether any airlines will fill the void?
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bmi rebookings
I've not spoken to Lufthansa (or Brussels) yet, as my next departures scheduled on BM are a few weeks away. Last time Lufthansa bailed out on BRS they offered me rebook from BHX, LHR or refund. They might offer re-route via BRU if it's after SN take over BRS-BRU again (29MAR).
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bmi, Germany and BRS - what's sustainable?
Generally, the demise of BM brings up the question of connections into Germany from BRS.
LH operated a flight to Frankfurt from 2008 to 2009, puling it suddenly in the May after apparently taking fright at the unfolding financial crisis. I believe the anecdotal evidence was that the route was growing in advance of expectations. Ironically, I wrote a number of times to bmi (as was) during 2010-2012 to encourage them to consider BRS-Germany routes, given their relationship with LH at the time.
The existing BRS-SXF route that Easy operate is a primarily a leisure route. It's got erratic timings, there are no connection possibilities (because Easy don't do that, and SXF doesn't have any), and Berlin itself is not a major business or aviation centre in Germany. Similarly FR to CGN. But both those "low fare" routes support about 125 passengers per flight.
I can't believe that BRS can't support a well-considered route network to Germany. Whenever I travelled on BRS-FRA/MUC (which was often), load factors were in the 60-70%, and fares were in the £100s. I certainly know I paid noticeable premiums to start long-haul trips on LH from BRS using BM. When I travelled on HAM or DUS, loads were much lighter. (CAA stats bear this out - HAM and DUS each had a dreadful ~1,000 passengers in a month).
I think the BRU route is insightful. When SN operated it using an RJ, it used to be so full I could pretty much guarantee on an IDB offer (and compo) on the night flight from BRU-BRS. (KL fill 190s four or five times a day to AMS). After the introduction of the ERJs onto the route, capacity halved, fares shot up.
So I wonder if the problem with BM wasn't just the routes, but the aircraft AND the routes. ERJs are expensive per seat to run, so using them on places like MUC and FRA creates high fares. (Like, £600 return high). Using them on places like HAM and DUS seems very dangerous. And then there were all the complicated arrangements to maintain the MUC base, with its selection of curious routes (which no doubt LH were involved with selecting and underwriting).
Maybe BM needed to not own (or try to use) quite so many ERJs on thin routes in Europe. Maybe a different approach would have been a larger aircraft flying more consistently to a hub (which seems to be what SN have concluded, shifting the BRU route back to them and an Avro).
LH seem to be warming a bit more to the idea of regional flights feeding into the FRA/MUC hubs. Maybe it's time to re-approach them and put the case that a BRS-FRA/MUC route is sustainable if linked into the LH/*A network, operated with a bigger aircraft (CRJ900?) and with lower fares?
If not, maybe we can club together to lease two aircraft (not the bmi Embys!) and do it ourselves? Passenger power and all that.
LH operated a flight to Frankfurt from 2008 to 2009, puling it suddenly in the May after apparently taking fright at the unfolding financial crisis. I believe the anecdotal evidence was that the route was growing in advance of expectations. Ironically, I wrote a number of times to bmi (as was) during 2010-2012 to encourage them to consider BRS-Germany routes, given their relationship with LH at the time.
The existing BRS-SXF route that Easy operate is a primarily a leisure route. It's got erratic timings, there are no connection possibilities (because Easy don't do that, and SXF doesn't have any), and Berlin itself is not a major business or aviation centre in Germany. Similarly FR to CGN. But both those "low fare" routes support about 125 passengers per flight.
I can't believe that BRS can't support a well-considered route network to Germany. Whenever I travelled on BRS-FRA/MUC (which was often), load factors were in the 60-70%, and fares were in the £100s. I certainly know I paid noticeable premiums to start long-haul trips on LH from BRS using BM. When I travelled on HAM or DUS, loads were much lighter. (CAA stats bear this out - HAM and DUS each had a dreadful ~1,000 passengers in a month).
I think the BRU route is insightful. When SN operated it using an RJ, it used to be so full I could pretty much guarantee on an IDB offer (and compo) on the night flight from BRU-BRS. (KL fill 190s four or five times a day to AMS). After the introduction of the ERJs onto the route, capacity halved, fares shot up.
So I wonder if the problem with BM wasn't just the routes, but the aircraft AND the routes. ERJs are expensive per seat to run, so using them on places like MUC and FRA creates high fares. (Like, £600 return high). Using them on places like HAM and DUS seems very dangerous. And then there were all the complicated arrangements to maintain the MUC base, with its selection of curious routes (which no doubt LH were involved with selecting and underwriting).
Maybe BM needed to not own (or try to use) quite so many ERJs on thin routes in Europe. Maybe a different approach would have been a larger aircraft flying more consistently to a hub (which seems to be what SN have concluded, shifting the BRU route back to them and an Avro).
LH seem to be warming a bit more to the idea of regional flights feeding into the FRA/MUC hubs. Maybe it's time to re-approach them and put the case that a BRS-FRA/MUC route is sustainable if linked into the LH/*A network, operated with a bigger aircraft (CRJ900?) and with lower fares?
If not, maybe we can club together to lease two aircraft (not the bmi Embys!) and do it ourselves? Passenger power and all that.
