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I think they would have quite a bit of experience flying 45 seaters with 7 empty seats rather than 150 seaters with 110 empty seats for a start.
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Personally I would love it to be BA Cityflyer as I think BA is probably the widest known worldwide of those and would open up good opportunities for using avios. (I know you can collect and spend avios on Aer Lingus but they are generally very poor value for European flights, as indeed were Flybe when they used avios).
I think there is a very outside chance they could do a deal with Virgin to use their brand and booking platform as per the original intention when part of the Connect takeover of Flybe, but realistically I very much expect to see them using the Aer Lingus Regional brand.
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It is More likely to Aer Lingus Regional brand, but at same time I would like to see BA Cityflyer expanded with Stobart Air using ATR 72-600 or DHC-8-400 to do UK regional flying.
Bookings more likely to be on Aer Lingus website I Wonder will the flights be on the BA Website as well.
Bookings more likely to be on Aer Lingus website I Wonder will the flights be on the BA Website as well.
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It is More likely to Aer Lingus Regional brand, but at same time I would like to see BA Cityflyer expanded with Stobart Air using ATR 72-600 or DHC-8-400 to do UK regional flying.
Bookings more likely to be on Aer Lingus website I Wonder will the flights be on the BA Website as well.
Bookings more likely to be on Aer Lingus website I Wonder will the flights be on the BA Website as well.
I'm getting confused - I thought we were looking at BACF doing LCY, then expecting Stobart Air to operate LGW, BHX, MAN, EDI under the Aer Lingus Regional franchise, with maybe something additional to come from Eastern.
Don't think Stobart having done ACMI leases for KLM or BACF is relevant?
Don't think Stobart having done ACMI leases for KLM or BACF is relevant?
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ECR From an earlier post I would suggest that KLM is as equally if not better well known global brand as BA.
I'm struggling to see who would codeshare on a Stobart Air service to a domestic service ex-BHD. Aer Lingus only operate one other route out of Belfast and the existing relationship with Stobart is mainly about providing feed into DUB. BA are not really interested in anything unless it starts/ends in London or provides a tag on to a remote place.
It certainly serves the whole of the UK better than BA do! However if Stobart run a service for KLM it will only be to AMS.
I'm struggling to see who would codeshare on a Stobart Air service to a domestic service ex-BHD. Aer Lingus only operate one other route out of Belfast and the existing relationship with Stobart is mainly about providing feed into DUB. BA are not really interested in anything unless it starts/ends in London or provides a tag on to a remote place.
I'm struggling to see who would codeshare on a Stobart Air service to a domestic service ex-BHD. Aer Lingus only operate one other route out of Belfast and the existing relationship with Stobart is mainly about providing feed into DUB. BA are not really interested in anything unless it starts/ends in London or provides a tag on to a remote place.
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I don't think Virgin will show up on any domestic shape or form. Little red were good but stopped too soon So in the public eye they were a failure
Virgin connect........
Anyhow
Once Simon the expert speaks his mind we will all know what the correct decision is.
Virgin connect........
Anyhow
Once Simon the expert speaks his mind we will all know what the correct decision is.
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I don't think Virgin will show up on any domestic shape or form. Little red were good but stopped too soon So in the public eye they were a failure
Virgin connect........
Anyhow
Once Simon the expert speaks his mind we will all know what the correct decision is.
Virgin connect........
Anyhow
Once Simon the expert speaks his mind we will all know what the correct decision is.
Im sure now its to do with Stobart and Cyrus capital and keeping Flybe’s existing OL and AOC then see what happens after that...
summer remedy slots was handed back to BA
but winter slots for flybe still there at LHR, MAN, LCY, BHX, and DUB
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I saw that but I don't get how the business case stacks up. Stobart operate for Aer Lingus on many routes from UK regional airports to DUB, these are primarily about providing LH feed as they can't compete with Ryanair on cost (and FR go head to head on virtually all these routes anyway).
As for O&D, business passengers may pay for the convenience of BHD over BFS but are there enough people like that, especially in the post covd world, to go toe-to-toe with the LCCs on Belfast-EDI (Easyjet 2-4 flights a day), Belfast-BHX (Easyjet 4-6 flights a day), Belfast-MAN (Easyjet 3-5 flights a day plus the odd Ryanair flight) and Belfast-LGW (Easyjet 6-7 flights a day)?
LGW could be an outlier (BA might want to codeshare on that one as well for some feed and could provide the slots) but do Aer Lingus really want to compete with BA on another Belfast-London route now that BA is about to launch BHD-LCY?
Or maybe there is a big pot of cash to subsidise routes out of BHD following the collapse of FlyBe?
As for O&D, business passengers may pay for the convenience of BHD over BFS but are there enough people like that, especially in the post covd world, to go toe-to-toe with the LCCs on Belfast-EDI (Easyjet 2-4 flights a day), Belfast-BHX (Easyjet 4-6 flights a day), Belfast-MAN (Easyjet 3-5 flights a day plus the odd Ryanair flight) and Belfast-LGW (Easyjet 6-7 flights a day)?
LGW could be an outlier (BA might want to codeshare on that one as well for some feed and could provide the slots) but do Aer Lingus really want to compete with BA on another Belfast-London route now that BA is about to launch BHD-LCY?
Or maybe there is a big pot of cash to subsidise routes out of BHD following the collapse of FlyBe?
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