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Old 11th Mar 2020, 10:12
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EI-BUD, so for example SOU was operated at between 3 and 4 flights per day by Flybe. What frequency do you think easyJet would work on for SOU if they were to ever do it?
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Sharklet321, imho I think easyJet if they flew SOU would be daily perhaps with a second some days. I can't see them doing more than that. I'm guessing SOU will be giving serious incentives and they already have easyJet on the ski route. SOU is huge for cruise connections which now is a disaster and then business travel. Daily by easyJet would be better than nothing.

The likes of Eastern would be skeleton schedule at huge prices, if history serves as a guide elsewhere....
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Old 11th Mar 2020, 14:23
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Is an announcement still expected tomorrow as alluded to a few days ago? The poster who reported it seemed to think it was an easyJet announcement, so I guess that may mean it's not necessarily going to be for BHD.
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The likes of Eastern would be skeleton schedule at huge prices, if history serves as a guide elsewhere....
The recent launched routes do suggest the leopard might have changed it's spots...
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Old 11th Mar 2020, 15:30
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They might have to re-discover their spots - one paying punter on Monday's BHD-MME inaugural!
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Old 11th Mar 2020, 16:49
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They might have to re-discover their spots - one paying punter on Monday's BHD-MME inaugural!
£154 is the cheapest return on the route.
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I'm sure the £154 will appeal greatly....to the regular stag/hen parties travelling between Belfast & north east of England …
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Old 11th Mar 2020, 18:43
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Surely this is a chance for Loganair to get back to GLA, EDI and MAN! Aircraft pending of course
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Old 11th Mar 2020, 18:54
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Eastern Airways launching BHD-SOU
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Old 11th Mar 2020, 19:23
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Originally Posted by DUB19
Eastern Airways launching BHD-SOU
Southampton to Belfast City route to operate 6x weekly (Mon, Tue, Wed, Thu, Fri & Sun) flights commencing from March 23rd using either the Southampton based Embaer 145 or 170.

EZE7840 = SOU 10:30 - BHD 12:15
EZE7841 = BHD 12:50 - SOU 14:35
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Old 11th Mar 2020, 20:06
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Hopefully it will be the 170 to allow for slightly lower fares
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Old 11th Mar 2020, 20:23
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checked flights on easten website BHD to SOU will be on ATR 72-600 im guessing G-IACY or G-IACZ
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Old 11th Mar 2020, 22:52
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As these, what are small airlines, announce all these new routes, money will be flying out the door. The biggest issue facing almost all businesses is cash flow. It is what brings most businesses down, lack of it. Money flying out the door before money starts coming in. And then, is that money coming in profitable? These two airlines are expanding at a serious rate, I hope they know what they are doing. And before you have a go at me, plenty of businesses far bigger than these two have failed due to cash flow. Don't assume those at the top know what they are doing, evidenced by plenty of other businesses that have gone.
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Old 11th Mar 2020, 23:20
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As these, what are small airlines, announce all these new routes, money will be flying out the door. The biggest issue facing almost all businesses is cash flow. It is what brings most businesses down, lack of it. Money flying out the door before money starts coming in. And then, is that money coming in profitable? These two airlines are expanding at a serious rate, I hope they know what they are doing. And before you have a go at me, plenty of businesses far bigger than these two have failed due to cash flow. Don't assume those at the top know what they are doing, evidenced by plenty of other businesses that have gone.
But I think Flybe were spectacularly badly run. I know I am like a broken record but that spat with Loganair was stupidity on a level I have never seen before. Business acumen was not their strong point.

And I think Loganair and Eastern are managed better, hence why we haven't seen a wholesale takeover of Flybe routes
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As these, what are small airlines, announce all these new routes, money will be flying out the door. The biggest issue facing almost all businesses is cash flow. It is what brings most businesses down, lack of it. Money flying out the door before money starts coming in. And then, is that money coming in profitable? These two airlines are expanding at a serious rate, I hope they know what they are doing. And before you have a go at me, plenty of businesses far bigger than these two have failed due to cash flow. Don't assume those at the top know what they are doing, evidenced by plenty of other businesses that have gone.
Let's look at what LM and Eastern are actually doing - as reported by Saabdriver on the Loganair thread

A shedload of under-performing routes have been taken out in the last two months - NWI/MAN, EMA/BRU, GLA/SEN, ABZ/SEN, NCL/BRU - frees up five E135/145s in all.
So they've merely moved resource from poorly performing routes. The new routes launched are mostly (if not all) from existing bases. Hardly profligate.

For Eastern, they've re-instated the leases of two a/c which have been parked up for months - so probably not expensive - and are making better use of the the two under-utilised EMB-145's. A new booking engine, yes.
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 19:16
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Too raw for many at the minute with the monumental jobs at risk to raise this at this stage.
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 20:01
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Originally Posted by LBIA
Southampton to Belfast City route to operate 6x weekly (Mon, Tue, Wed, Thu, Fri & Sun) flights commencing from March 23rd using either the Southampton based Embaer 145 or 170.

EZE7840 = SOU 10:30 - BHD 12:15
EZE7841 = BHD 12:50 - SOU 14:35
Saturday flights now on sale from 11th April.
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 20:27
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Who owns BHD now?
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 20:47
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Who owns BHD now?
3i own it I believe
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 22:40
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This is not a good position for Bhd at all. Government now saying they don't expect this virus to peak until maybe May/June.
3i invest for capital gains and profits. It will be a long time before Bhd ever recovers to near current levels, if at all. 3i will be considering this and if they can't see a reasonably quick possibility of a return to near normal, they will be considering their position. Currently, Bhd probably doesn't carry a value anywhere near what they paid for it. Economic reality is flowing over us like a major storm and it is not easily stopped. It is all very well bold statements about re-placement services from Bhd, but who is going to take that chance now? Many airlines are now in a battle to survive, talk of expansion just stupid.

Capitalism has given most of us a very good life over many years now, but it doesn't always behave well. Now is one of those times and at the end of this, there will be many casualties. A process of renewal, but not nice. It is something I give warnings about every day.
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