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Wonder what will happen once FR go twice daily on the MAN route. Spat with EZY for pax and BE have reduced
from 9 to 7. CAA figures should be interesting next few months.
from 9 to 7. CAA figures should be interesting next few months.
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And how many years ago was that, certainly not in recent times, in at least the last 4 years to my knowledge BE have been around 7x daily and that's definitely nothing to do with FR. If you are referring to BA Connect that was something like 2007, so two years of running 9x daily brings it to 2009,hardly relevant to say BE have cut 2x daily service at this stage when referring to next year's schedule and talking about FR/EZY.
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Let's then wait and see how the loss making, regional reacts. Can't keep a schedule in winter, can't keep a schedule in the summer and more emergencies than the Mater Hospital hahaha.
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And of course FR keeping everything going so well currently. I'll just ask you to remember last winter.....
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Ryanair has had a lot of flight delays and cancellations this summer already. Their flights used always be on time but this year it`s different. They seem to lack enough flight crews because most experienced pilots don`t want to work for them.
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They've never really struggled to fill an aircraft so I don't see why they would. They'd have been at BFS from the beginning of that was the long term plan. There's a market for transfer flights via AMS and they hit a significant wave of them as they are plus a decent chunk of point to point business and leisure. IAG would gain literally nothing by moving operations in fact they would lose the current advantage they have in landing closer to Belfast than ezy/be, time is of the essence in business.
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I don't think it's a clean cut case of saying;
'IAG would gain literally nothing by moving operations in fact they would lose the current advantage they have in landing closer to Belfast than ezy/be, time is of the essence in business'.
There are competing variables in this equation, take the 2130 curfew for example, this means potentially that there is one less rotation with an aircraft each day. That is a real fixed cost for aircraft related to the BHD operation, compare to EDI or GLA LHR routes for e.g.
Yes there is that issue of exposure to EZY and FR competing services, but you have to ask yourself, with the large IAG combined reduction from 10 daily to 7 daily, just how great is the BHD attraction over BFS? Not preferring either (though I admit using BHD is very pleasurable), what extent of transfer pax are using the route? MAN LHR was previously 75% and GLA/EDI 50%. If the level of transfer pax is so high , aside from KLMs token service, not much risk.
Bolt on to of that the contracts that EI and BA have with corporates, to me , such a move would not be high risk. Equally, given the steep charges at LHR, point to point pax will always find the other London airports significantly more economical anyway.
Not proposing to conclude such an arguement on here but this debate is far from proven, equally easyJet's assessment that 'there were no tangible benefits of using BHD', was far from a comprehensive study into the matter, given that Ryanair were then at BHD, and EI had just launched at BFS, so holding their loads under those circumstances was a good result. Obviously we can't ascertain impact to yield though equally we couldn't forsee what it might have been at BFS..
I don't think it's a clean cut case of saying;
'IAG would gain literally nothing by moving operations in fact they would lose the current advantage they have in landing closer to Belfast than ezy/be, time is of the essence in business'.
There are competing variables in this equation, take the 2130 curfew for example, this means potentially that there is one less rotation with an aircraft each day. That is a real fixed cost for aircraft related to the BHD operation, compare to EDI or GLA LHR routes for e.g.
Yes there is that issue of exposure to EZY and FR competing services, but you have to ask yourself, with the large IAG combined reduction from 10 daily to 7 daily, just how great is the BHD attraction over BFS? Not preferring either (though I admit using BHD is very pleasurable), what extent of transfer pax are using the route? MAN LHR was previously 75% and GLA/EDI 50%. If the level of transfer pax is so high , aside from KLMs token service, not much risk.
Bolt on to of that the contracts that EI and BA have with corporates, to me , such a move would not be high risk. Equally, given the steep charges at LHR, point to point pax will always find the other London airports significantly more economical anyway.
Not proposing to conclude such an arguement on here but this debate is far from proven, equally easyJet's assessment that 'there were no tangible benefits of using BHD', was far from a comprehensive study into the matter, given that Ryanair were then at BHD, and EI had just launched at BFS, so holding their loads under those circumstances was a good result. Obviously we can't ascertain impact to yield though equally we couldn't forsee what it might have been at BFS..
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I would stand by the argument if KLM wanted a pre 06.30am run they'd be there, probably from day one. To think they'd go to BHD for the craic but with a longer term interest in being in BFS would be ludicrous, they could easily do two rotations where they are anyway. IAG have cut down because FR are flying 3x daily on the LON market and have had higher frequency than this - all that said having flown on a packed EZY service to STN recently at a random off peak time and seeing fares in September of £7 one way on FR and £30-£50 one way on EZY despite the extra frequencies I'd debate how long FR will be in the Belfast - LON market.