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Old 2nd Apr 2018, 21:37
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Friend sent me this, from BFS mgmt https://ibb.co/kpuOUx
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Old 2nd Apr 2018, 22:09
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Originally Posted by Alteagod
VY was just not marketed in any way or did it appear to be linked to any tour operator. It does the BE BA etc business traveller justice but a few sun routes could help or reach out to some other Cities. Maybe even try and get VLM or Brussels back.
At the time Willie Walsh said that Vueling's BCN-BHD route failed because of a lack of brand awareness in Northern Ireland. As you say that is due, in part at least, to the failings of BHD's marketing department. However, now that Aer Lingus is part of IAG, surely EI could take over the route and codeshare with Vueling (and LEVEL). Aer Lingus would also be suited to operate to several other underserved destinations such as FCO and MUC, which were relatively strong performers when EI operated these routes from BFS.

I doubt that Brussels Airlines will return to BHD using their own metal, but honestly I'm disappointed that BHD management were unable to get bmi Regional to take over the route and codeshare with SN. BM already operate flights to BRU (which is a BM base) from BRS, EMA and NCL, all of which carry SN codeshares. Surely a similar arrangement could have been made for BHD.
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Old 3rd Apr 2018, 10:19
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The investment company that bought BHD would not invest £15 million plus on the airport if they did not think they woukd get a good return. I suspect that there will be some kind of route news but in what form and when as this is Pprune and not the BHD board room we will as always have to wait and see. In fact to quote a work colleague " when our tug n tow bar is attatched then I will believe the rumours" Sage advice I think to ponder on.

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Old 3rd Apr 2018, 13:50
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JetsGo

Heard on the radio this morning that JetsGo offering free parking at BHD.
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Old 3rd Apr 2018, 20:33
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Originally Posted by snn20
Friend sent me this, from BFS mgmt https://ibb.co/kpuOUx
BHD management isn't going to tell a random member of the public before it is launched to the public.
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Old 3rd Apr 2018, 20:58
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Originally Posted by snn20
Friend sent me this, from BFS mgmt https://ibb.co/kpuOUx
Have to agree with OwenC, that means absoultely nothing. A member of staff who replies to emails will not have the information, or if they do will certainly not give it away. Both airlines and airports like to keep things under raps, they won't simply release it to some secondary school student via email.
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Old 3rd Apr 2018, 21:20
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It's actually BFS who replied but in fact there probably is a lot of truth, they wouldn't know/comment although it is a rather firm denial on their behalf. I'd remind everyone where this story came from, the same poster stated IAG won't be operating BHD-LHR soon, I think this is more fantasy airport management than rumours with any substance.

The jetsgo offer for free parking has been running for quite some time now.

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Old 4th Apr 2018, 12:40
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Are we concluding that if KLM move that BFS would gain other SKyTEAM members?
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BHD management isn't going to tell a random member of the public before it is launched to the public.
And neither is BFS (given the enquiry was to them)
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Old 4th Apr 2018, 13:09
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Originally Posted by Alteagod
Are we concluding that if KLM move that BFS would gain other SKyTEAM members?
If KLM move to BFS then we would expect any other potential Air France/KLM Group routes and airlines to be operated from BFS as well. That would include Air France, Joon, Transavia and Transavia France. However, it would not necessarily mean that all Skyteam airlines would choose BFS over BHD. There is no need for airlines in the same alliance to operate to the same Belfast airport, because no one would be connecting between Skyteam services in Belfast. Also worth noting, when Brussels Airlines commenced BRU-BHD back in 2016, fellow Star Alliance member United was operating from BFS.
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Old 4th Apr 2018, 13:25
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Originally Posted by A320.b744
If KLM move to BFS then we would expect any other potential Air France/KLM Group routes and airlines to be operated from BFS as well. That would include Air France, Joon, Transavia and Transavia France. However, it would not necessarily mean that all Skyteam airlines would choose BFS over BHD. There is no need for airlines in the same alliance to operate to the same Belfast airport, because no one would be connecting between Skyteam services in Belfast. Also worth noting, when Brussels Airlines commenced BRU-BHD back in 2016, fellow Star Alliance member United was operating from BFS.
Not neccesarily KLM serve Bristol and Cardiff other KLM/Air France airlines don't serve them. Same with LBA and SOU and LCY.
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
Not neccesarily KLM serve Bristol and Cardiff other KLM/Air France airlines don't serve them. Same with LBA and SOU and LCY.
I didn't say that other Air France/KLM airlines would commence operations from Belfast. I said that if other Air France/KLM airlines were to fly to Belfast, they would operate from the same airport as KLM.
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Does anyone know if Aer Lingus are planning on using ASL Ireland for the foreseeable future for their BHD sun routes, or is this just a capacity issue for 2018?
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Old 6th Apr 2018, 11:38
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Originally Posted by A320.b744
Does anyone know if Aer Lingus are planning on using ASL Ireland for the foreseeable future for their BHD sun routes, or is this just a capacity issue for 2018?
I would imagine it would be every summer, thats if EI keeps the sun routes. Will be a similar operation to the 767 in shannon that was used for a few seasons.
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I would imagine it would be every summer, thats if EI keeps the sun routes. Will be a similar operation to the 767 in shannon that was used for a few seasons.
If that's the case then I don't think Aer Lingus will make it until the end of the decade at BHD, never mind reach their 10th anniversary! Surely there is no economic case for operating such a small base.
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Originally Posted by A320.b744
If that's the case then I don't think Aer Lingus will make it until the end of the decade at BHD, never mind reach their 10th anniversary! Surely there is no economic case for operating such a small base.
With the obligation to continue to feed Star Alliance carriers ex LHR for however long, can’t see anything drastic occuring near term. When that obligation disappears and EI are fully integrated into the TATL JV and Oneworld, then I would think it would make more sense for either them or BA to take on the other’s ops in the airport financially, if not politically.
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Old 6th Apr 2018, 12:12
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Originally Posted by A320.b744
If that's the case then I don't think Aer Lingus will make it until the end of the decade at BHD, never mind reach their 10th anniversary! Surely there is no economic case for operating such a small base.
Honestly, im surprised they're still at BHD, let alone still operating the sun routes. When they operated the 767 from SNN it damaged their reputation quite a bit and drove people to fly from dublin however theyre back to regular 757 operations now. Seems as if theyre trying to run down the sun routes so it gives them an excuse to pull out
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Are you asking will they use ASL in 2019?

If so, any answer that's given is complete speculation. Quite frankly nobody knows, not even Aer Lingus. You'd be going several months down the road to find out whether this contract is renewed.
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Old 6th Apr 2018, 12:19
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Originally Posted by snn20
Honestly, im surprised they're still at BHD, let alone still operating the sun routes. When they operated the 767 from SNN it damaged their reputation quite a bit and drove people to fly from dublin however theyre back to regular 757 operations now. Seems as if theyre trying to run down the sun routes so it gives them an excuse to pull out
Are you really comparing the ASL 737 with the Omni 767 that was based at Shannon?

The Omni 767 had American crew with poor service. The whole service was the worst on the EI long haul Network and quickly became known as such.

The ASL 737 has become known as reliable despite it's age with cheerful Irish crew on board. One would notice no difference in service between an EI A320 and this 737.

So I'd advise you to be careful what you say, as it can be taken as defamatory, despite you talking out your arse.
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Old 6th Apr 2018, 12:39
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I think ASL might just be a lovely wee outfit for BHD.
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