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Old 1st Apr 2018, 21:24
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What a/c do KLM use from BHD?
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Old 1st Apr 2018, 21:29
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What a/c do KLM use from BHD?
KLM use the E175 Monday-Saturday, and the E190 on Sundays. Sometimes there's an extra E190 or two mid week.
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Old 1st Apr 2018, 22:13
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I'm asking because there was a post on the loganair thread, translated from Dutch, which I interpreted as a threat to services using smaller a/c. Essentially, Schiphol is limited to 500k flights per year and is reaching that. They were looking to squeeze more seats into a 190, and use other operators such as Loganair or Widero to feed into City hopper routes. There was no mention of routes which used smaller a/c......
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Old 2nd Apr 2018, 16:35
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Does anyone have any good news about Harbour these days? It all seems doom and gloom with no real prospect in sight of a turn around.

How much is sheer bad luck and how much is incompetence from current leadership? No doubt if the announcement is made about KLM moving on we will have the propaganda director in full flow telling us all about what a successful year Harbour is having. Some humility and personal skills might go further than arrogance and intransigence? Just a thought.
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Old 2nd Apr 2018, 16:44
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Remember every silver lining has a cloud round it so maybe some good news mite be coming. Does GBBCA have any route development grants deals etc in place?
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Old 2nd Apr 2018, 16:46
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On the wikipedia site as ending on the 27th of october. however not a credible enough source.
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Old 2nd Apr 2018, 17:09
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That would be the end of the Summer season
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Old 2nd Apr 2018, 17:13
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Still bookable after 27th october
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Old 2nd Apr 2018, 17:37
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Still bookable after 27th october
BHD-AMS is still bookable after 27th October because officially, KLM are still operating from BHD in W18/19. There hasn't yet been an announcement from either KLM or BFS, so why would KLM change their booking system if it was still an internal matter? Their intention to move is still a 'secret' after all - it just so happens that we now know. When (or indeed if) the announcement is made, KLM will simply contact everyone booked on BHD-AMS from 28th October and say that the flight will depart from BFS instead.
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Old 2nd Apr 2018, 19:14
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This is a sad state of affairs for BHD. They recruit a new carrier, to a major hub airport , and at the face of it, it seems they may lose same route due to its success. It certainly isn't a level playing field, with a restricted runway and early closure and 0630 opening, the odds are firmly stacked against them.

Without getting back to a BHD v BFS debate,if they can't remedy these items and also holiday parking, the likes of BA (/IAG) will be gone up the road too..

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Old 2nd Apr 2018, 19:32
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Very true.
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Old 2nd Apr 2018, 19:43
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But surely this is part of the problem of Bhd wanting to expand beyond what it originally wanted to be? At the start, having a 5.55am departure to Ams was not part of the plan and maybe Bhd should have concentrated on what it was set up to do, rather than try to compete with Bfs. We have had posters on here wondering if certain airlines could fly from Bhd to New York/Toronto etc. Bhd was never designed for that, yet has been moving towards that, maybe not long haul, but certainly aspirations towards various european destinations. They have lost their way. They knew what the rules were from the start, but have taken the view that they could bust the rules by expansion, but it hasn't worked. The Vueling service was not impacted at all by opening hours, and maybe also not runway length.
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Old 2nd Apr 2018, 20:18
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VY was just not marketed in any way or did it appear to be linked to any tour operator. It does the BE BA etc business traveller justice but a few sun routes could help or reach out to some other Cities. Maybe even try and get VLM or Brussels back.
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Old 2nd Apr 2018, 21:13
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Originally Posted by True Blue View Post
But surely this is part of the problem of Bhd wanting to expand beyond what it originally wanted to be? At the start, having a 5.55am departure to Ams was not part of the plan and maybe Bhd should have concentrated on what it was set up to do, rather than try to compete with Bfs. We have had posters on here wondering if certain airlines could fly from Bhd to New York/Toronto etc. Bhd was never designed for that, yet has been moving towards that, maybe not long haul, but certainly aspirations towards various european destinations. They have lost their way. They knew what the rules were from the start, but have taken the view that they could bust the rules by expansion, but it hasn't worked. The Vueling service was not impacted at all by opening hours, and maybe also not runway length.
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I often agree with you but if BHD had to be bound by it was 'set up to do', then surely a short flight to AMS should be within scope. I am in favour of a one sustainable airport approach for Belfast, but the City Airport has done extremely well given its current restrictions, irrespective of which airport i'd prefer, it never has a chance. It is inevitable that the two airports will compete for the same business, expecially on short flights up to 1.5/2 hrs.
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Old 2nd Apr 2018, 21:17
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I think economics will eventually sort out the issue of how many airports we should have here.
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Old 2nd Apr 2018, 21:37
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Friend sent me this, from BFS mgmt https://ibb.co/kpuOUx
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Old 2nd Apr 2018, 22:09
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Originally Posted by Alteagod View Post
VY was just not marketed in any way or did it appear to be linked to any tour operator. It does the BE BA etc business traveller justice but a few sun routes could help or reach out to some other Cities. Maybe even try and get VLM or Brussels back.
At the time Willie Walsh said that Vueling's BCN-BHD route failed because of a lack of brand awareness in Northern Ireland. As you say that is due, in part at least, to the failings of BHD's marketing department. However, now that Aer Lingus is part of IAG, surely EI could take over the route and codeshare with Vueling (and LEVEL). Aer Lingus would also be suited to operate to several other underserved destinations such as FCO and MUC, which were relatively strong performers when EI operated these routes from BFS.

I doubt that Brussels Airlines will return to BHD using their own metal, but honestly I'm disappointed that BHD management were unable to get bmi Regional to take over the route and codeshare with SN. BM already operate flights to BRU (which is a BM base) from BRS, EMA and NCL, all of which carry SN codeshares. Surely a similar arrangement could have been made for BHD.
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Old 3rd Apr 2018, 10:19
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The investment company that bought BHD would not invest 15 million plus on the airport if they did not think they woukd get a good return. I suspect that there will be some kind of route news but in what form and when as this is PPRuNe and not the BHD board room we will as always have to wait and see. In fact to quote a work colleague " when our tug n tow bar is attatched then I will believe the rumours" Sage advice I think to ponder on.

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Old 3rd Apr 2018, 13:50
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Heard on the radio this morning that JetsGo offering free parking at BHD.
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Old 3rd Apr 2018, 20:33
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Originally Posted by snn20 View Post
Friend sent me this, from BFS mgmt https://ibb.co/kpuOUx
BHD management isn't going to tell a random member of the public before it is launched to the public.
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