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flyBe have got CWL for sale through winter twice weekly with an E175. Given that the base at CWL is being downsized I think that is a very good result for the airport.
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And there was me expecting to see reductions in those routes...
Any idea if it may take over some of the year-round routes like Budapest or Malta as it would be chronically under-utilized if restricted to those routes that were operated by aircraft based in other bases.
Any idea if it may take over some of the year-round routes like Budapest or Malta as it would be chronically under-utilized if restricted to those routes that were operated by aircraft based in other bases.
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A small amount of additional capacity announced yesterday.
TUI will operate to Lanzarote next year, because what Cork Airport really needed was even more flights to Lanzarote. It will operate once a week on a Sunday and is directly bookable, although the prices are such at the moment that nobody will select it over Ryanair or Aer Lingus. I presume when they get a handle on how many packages are sold, they may discount the flight at the last minute.
Also, Swiss will operate an even longer season to Zurich next year. It will be 30 weeks as opposed to the 27 weeks this year. It's not going to set the passenger numbers on fire, but it's good to see the route continually strengthening.
TUI will operate to Lanzarote next year, because what Cork Airport really needed was even more flights to Lanzarote. It will operate once a week on a Sunday and is directly bookable, although the prices are such at the moment that nobody will select it over Ryanair or Aer Lingus. I presume when they get a handle on how many packages are sold, they may discount the flight at the last minute.
Also, Swiss will operate an even longer season to Zurich next year. It will be 30 weeks as opposed to the 27 weeks this year. It's not going to set the passenger numbers on fire, but it's good to see the route continually strengthening.
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Volotea have Verona on sale again for next summer, once weekly Saturday from 30th May to 3rd of October and twice weekly in July and August, on Tuesdays. I’m glad to see that route is surviving, even if its not thriving to the extent Swiss has with ZRH. I still hold out hope for a GVA service on Saturdays over winter, but the ski market seems to be catered for elsewhere.
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I don't think there are any non-charter ski destinations from Cork?
I suppose Katowice could be used for skiing in Zakopane, but Poland seems to be a bit off the agenda in Ireland when it comes to skiing destinations.
There are a few routes that are served in Summer that could provide access to ski resorts in Winter - Zurich, Barcelona, Carcassonne, Nice, Bergamo. There could be an opportunity to work with tour operators to make one year-round, but none are ideal. The last four are all 3+ hours from the nearest ski resort, while everything in Switzerland is so expensive, it makes it unattractive for most people looking for a ski holiday.
I suppose Katowice could be used for skiing in Zakopane, but Poland seems to be a bit off the agenda in Ireland when it comes to skiing destinations.
There are a few routes that are served in Summer that could provide access to ski resorts in Winter - Zurich, Barcelona, Carcassonne, Nice, Bergamo. There could be an opportunity to work with tour operators to make one year-round, but none are ideal. The last four are all 3+ hours from the nearest ski resort, while everything in Switzerland is so expensive, it makes it unattractive for most people looking for a ski holiday.
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I don't think there are any non-charter ski destinations from Cork?
I suppose Katowice could be used for skiing in Zakopane, but Poland seems to be a bit off the agenda in Ireland when it comes to skiing destinations.
There are a few routes that are served in Summer that could provide access to ski resorts in Winter - Zurich, Barcelona, Carcassonne, Nice, Bergamo. There could be an opportunity to work with tour operators to make one year-round, but none are ideal. The last four are all 3+ hours from the nearest ski resort, while everything in Switzerland is so expensive, it makes it unattractive for most people looking for a ski holiday.
I suppose Katowice could be used for skiing in Zakopane, but Poland seems to be a bit off the agenda in Ireland when it comes to skiing destinations.
There are a few routes that are served in Summer that could provide access to ski resorts in Winter - Zurich, Barcelona, Carcassonne, Nice, Bergamo. There could be an opportunity to work with tour operators to make one year-round, but none are ideal. The last four are all 3+ hours from the nearest ski resort, while everything in Switzerland is so expensive, it makes it unattractive for most people looking for a ski holiday.
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From Carcassonne you have 5 ski resorts (around 1h30-2h) Les Monts d'Olmes , Camurac , Ax 3 domaines , Puyvalador and Formiguères ! it's not expensive and very nice ski resort !
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A few months after canning the route for the Winter, Air France have announced that they will be going double-daily on Cork-Paris next year.
I haven't seen a timetable yet, but what has been said implies there will be an aircraft overnighting in Cork, with an early morning departure.
Unless Aer Lingus cut capacity as a reaction, it looks like Paris will become the largest non-London route out of Cork in passenger numbers. Manchester might just stay ahead on frequency depending on what timetable is actually revealed.
I haven't seen a timetable yet, but what has been said implies there will be an aircraft overnighting in Cork, with an early morning departure.
Unless Aer Lingus cut capacity as a reaction, it looks like Paris will become the largest non-London route out of Cork in passenger numbers. Manchester might just stay ahead on frequency depending on what timetable is actually revealed.
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Flight schedule now available as I was writing the post...
AF9465 ORK-CDG 06:25 09:10
AF1094 CDG-ORK 12:50 13:40
AF1095 ORK-CDG 14:20 17:05
AF9464 CDG-ORK 20:45 21:35
AF9465 ORK-CDG 06:25 09:10
AF1094 CDG-ORK 12:50 13:40
AF1095 ORK-CDG 14:20 17:05
AF9464 CDG-ORK 20:45 21:35
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I see that Lauda have announced an SNN-VIE route this morning, in fairness I think the AF announcement is better!
This is great news. I couldn't help but think the winter suspension was the end of the road for the route. The proposed timetable is pretty good for connections both east and west bound.
The overnight AF9465 seems to be a HOP! 190 while the Mon-Fri AF1094 is a HOP/170, with a 190 on Saturday and Sunday.
The overnight AF9465 seems to be a HOP! 190 while the Mon-Fri AF1094 is a HOP/170, with a 190 on Saturday and Sunday.
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Nearly 4K seats a week between Cork and Paris in Winter was just too damaging to yield. Last Winter both AF and EI dropped back to 5x weekly and then AF blinked first.
That amount is fine in summer. With this announcement, it will be up over 5K, which doesn't look all that sustainable. However, it could be a sign that AF will test EI's resolve on the route.
It's worth remembering that none of the flights are getting any kind of start up deal as EI are too long established on the route and the promotions don't apply to a new carrier on a pre-existing route.
What's really not needed is for Ryanair to get involved with a route from Cork (or anywhere else in Munster for that matter) to Beauvais, so that is probably inevitable.
Both the Shannon announcement and this one are good news as they will both bring strong inbound tourism flows, while the AF one also makes CDG a really viable transfer option from Cork. Definitely better than yet another rotation to Lanzarote, which seems to be getting as frequent as the bus to the city centre.
That amount is fine in summer. With this announcement, it will be up over 5K, which doesn't look all that sustainable. However, it could be a sign that AF will test EI's resolve on the route.
It's worth remembering that none of the flights are getting any kind of start up deal as EI are too long established on the route and the promotions don't apply to a new carrier on a pre-existing route.
What's really not needed is for Ryanair to get involved with a route from Cork (or anywhere else in Munster for that matter) to Beauvais, so that is probably inevitable.
Both the Shannon announcement and this one are good news as they will both bring strong inbound tourism flows, while the AF one also makes CDG a really viable transfer option from Cork. Definitely better than yet another rotation to Lanzarote, which seems to be getting as frequent as the bus to the city centre.
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It's worth remembering that none of the flights are getting any kind of start up deal as EI are too long established on the route and the promotions don't apply to a new carrier on a pre-existing route.
What's really not needed is for Ryanair to get involved with a route from Cork (or anywhere else in Munster for that matter) to Beauvais, so that is probably inevitable.
Long term I think I’d rather AF on CDG with this twice daily schedule and a host of connections than EI. If EI were to pull off CDG, the replacement would likely be another bucket and spade route rather than a city destination.
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In non-route news, it seems that Bus Eireann will introduce a twice-hourly bus route to Carrigaline next month.
Probably good news for those who work at the airport and the next-door business park, but probably won't do much for passenger numbers. It's more bus services to places that are 80km-120km away that would do that.
Probably good news for those who work at the airport and the next-door business park, but probably won't do much for passenger numbers. It's more bus services to places that are 80km-120km away that would do that.
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Glad to hear that Cork will have good connectivity with 3 major European hubs, LHR, AMS and CDG with the recent Air France announcement.
Still a little surprised that Stobart hasn't come back on the Dublin route though.
The main focus for the DAA in Cork should be to get at least one major carrier on transatlantic routes from 2020 onwards.
All the carriers flying between the USA and Shannon operate the 757, an aircraft perfect for Cork's short 7,000ft runway.
The DAA should encourage Aer Lingus to relocate their 757 US operations from Shannon to Cork or at least one of the US carriers, United, Delta or American to relocate their US services to Cork where they could operate a year round 757 services instead of just seasonal services to Shannon and with zero competition too!
Still a little surprised that Stobart hasn't come back on the Dublin route though.
The main focus for the DAA in Cork should be to get at least one major carrier on transatlantic routes from 2020 onwards.
All the carriers flying between the USA and Shannon operate the 757, an aircraft perfect for Cork's short 7,000ft runway.
The DAA should encourage Aer Lingus to relocate their 757 US operations from Shannon to Cork or at least one of the US carriers, United, Delta or American to relocate their US services to Cork where they could operate a year round 757 services instead of just seasonal services to Shannon and with zero competition too!
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I don’t think ORK-DUB will ever come back. The connections by road are dramatically improved and the busses are frequent, affordable and more environmentally friendly. If EI really wanted to they could codeshare with a bus operator for onward connections. AF, KL and LH do this with train operators on the continent, there might be more.
A US route would be great, you’d imagine there should be good incentives for new routes and with onward connections at the US end the route should be viable. Little interest has been shown so far though.
A US route would be great, you’d imagine there should be good incentives for new routes and with onward connections at the US end the route should be viable. Little interest has been shown so far though.
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I don’t think ORK-DUB will ever come back. The connections by road are dramatically improved and the busses are frequent, affordable and more environmentally friendly. If EI really wanted to they could codeshare with a bus operator for onward connections. AF, KL and LH do this with train operators on the continent, there might be more.
A US route would be great, you’d imagine there should be good incentives for new routes and with onward connections at the US end the route should be viable. Little interest has been shown so far though.
A US route would be great, you’d imagine there should be good incentives for new routes and with onward connections at the US end the route should be viable. Little interest has been shown so far though.
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All the carriers flying between the USA and Shannon operate the 757, an aircraft perfect for Cork's short 7,000ft runway.
The DAA should encourage Aer Lingus to relocate their 757 US operations from Shannon to Cork or at least one of the US carriers, United, Delta or American to relocate their US services to Cork where they could operate a year round 757 services instead of just seasonal services to Shannon and with zero competition too!
The DAA should encourage Aer Lingus to relocate their 757 US operations from Shannon to Cork or at least one of the US carriers, United, Delta or American to relocate their US services to Cork where they could operate a year round 757 services instead of just seasonal services to Shannon and with zero competition too!
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That depends on how occupied the buses and aircraft are. An ATR with 60pax and a coach with 15 pax won’t be that different in terms of CO2 emissions. A lot of buses, especially the GoBus ones are going up pretty empty, although the ones that get you for the first wave of flights or into out of Dublin at rush hour can be very busy.
