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Old 16th Jan 2019, 15:38
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2018 pax number's

Any idea on what the passenger numbers for 2018 were?,The last quarter figure's are not uploaded to CSO yet
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Old 16th Jan 2019, 16:43
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Nothing official yet.

Rolling year to the end of September was 2.61m

For the last two months compared to 2017, Paris (Air France), Faro, Lisbon and Luton were gained. Newcastle and Providence were lost. So I suspect it will be around the 2.8m-2.9m mark for the year.

Incidentally, in a sign that the route struggels with capacity in the lean months, Air France aren't flying to Paris on Tuesday and Wednesday in January and February, while Aer Lingus aren't on Tuesday and Saturday in January. Clearly no collusion as there are no Tuesday flights at all, but two flights on Thursdays, which isn't a much busier day.
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Old 16th Jan 2019, 17:27
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Originally Posted by 840 View Post
Nothing official yet.

Rolling year to the end of September was 2.61m

For the last two months compared to 2017, Paris (Air France), Faro, Lisbon and Luton were gained. Newcastle and Providence were lost. So I suspect it will be around the 2.8m-2.9m mark for the year.

Incidentally, in a sign that the route struggels with capacity in the lean months, Air France aren't flying to Paris on Tuesday and Wednesday in January and February, while Aer Lingus aren't on Tuesday and Saturday in January. Clearly no collusion as there are no Tuesday flights at all, but two flights on Thursdays, which isn't a much busier day.
Not sure where you got that rolling year figure. Rolling year to the end of September was 2,365,567 as per CSO figures. 2.5-2.6M projected for next year (not forgetting one of the daily Heathrows has been axed along with DUS)
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Old 16th Jan 2019, 20:35
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Sorry. There should be a 3 in all those. Not sure what happened. Those figures would imply 25%+ growth.

2.361m as the rolling figure. Not that different from yours. Possibly excludes those on private flights?

And then 2.38m to 2.39m for the year.
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Old 16th Jan 2019, 22:11
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Sorry. There should be a 3 in all those. Not sure what happened. Those figures would imply 25%+ growth.

2.361m as the rolling figure. Not that different from yours. Possibly excludes those on private flights?

And then 2.38m to 2.39m for the year.
I got those from the DTTAS site, they include private/transit ect whereas CSO donít
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Old 16th Jan 2019, 22:42
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Norwegian to close providence base - not sure how this will affect the cork service but canít be overly positive given the route is still operating with a reduced load
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Old 17th Jan 2019, 02:41
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It means that all routes out of PVD with the exception of Dublin will be cancelled this year. Cork airport management would be wise to pick up the phone and talk to WOW, JetBlue, Aer Lingus (A321 NEO) and WestJet for North Atlantic services. It`s only a question of time before Norwegian goes bankrupt.
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Old 17th Jan 2019, 07:30
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Originally Posted by Dreamliner_01 View Post
Norwegian to close providence base - not sure how this will affect the cork service but canít be overly positive given the route is still operating with a reduced load
In total , Norwegian will close 5 bases

Newburgh
Providence
Palma
Tenerife
rome FCO
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Old 17th Jan 2019, 08:30
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Rome FCO will remain as a base, but only for Dreamliners, not for 737s.

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It means that all routes out of PVD with the exception of Dublin will be cancelled this year. Cork airport management would be wise to pick up the phone and talk to WOW, JetBlue, Aer Lingus (A321 NEO) and WestJet for North Atlantic services. It`s only a question of time before Norwegian goes bankrupt.
WOW has axed all but four TATL routes as well.
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Old 17th Jan 2019, 10:13
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I can only see WestJet and JetBlue from that list being at all possible and JetBlue very unlikely. Air Canada Rouge may be another airline to throw in the mix though.

The blow to Cork will be largely psychological, losing the only TA link. Passenger numbers were likely to be a total of around 1% of airport passengers next year. This will be much worse in Shannon, where Norwegian represent about 5% of total passengers. Shannon is more likely to pick up replacement carriers though.
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Old 17th Jan 2019, 10:49
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I think people are getting a bit excited. The main routes effected are Spain-Germany.
https://e24.no/boers-og-finans/norwe...baser/24541991

The Dublin 737MAX base remains, and Norwegian have stated that there are no changes to services from Ireland. It seems an expensive set-up to have so many bases just to serve ORK/DUB/SNN and Scandinavia. Itís probably better to organise road transport to ORK/SNN or ďWĒ patterns like DUB-PVD-ORK-PVD-DUB. EI have been doing it for years.
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Old 17th Jan 2019, 13:34
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I tend to agree with the suggestion that they won't be around as an airline all that much longer though. At best they will absorbed into another operation.
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Old 17th Jan 2019, 15:19
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 08:45
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I've seen it stated in a couple of places (airport twitter account and media source) that Cork Airport handled 2.4m passengers last year. There are no official figures yet though.

That's a bit higher than the 2.38m-2.39m range that I was expecting. Now it may be that there has been rounding to two significant figures and that it is in that range. If it is actually that high, it suggests a very good November and December.
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 10:15
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I've seen it stated in a couple of places (airport twitter account and media source) that Cork Airport handled 2.4m passengers last year. There are no official figures yet though.

That's a bit higher than the 2.38m-2.39m range that I was expecting. Now it may be that there has been rounding to two significant figures and that it is in that range. If it is actually that high, it suggests a very good November and December.
They are forecasting 2.6m in 2019 or 7% growth.
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 13:17
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Final figure was 2,392,821.
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 09:54
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Not sure I buy poor loads, suspect something else is planned either at Cork or from Shannon.
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 09:59
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Agreed. There has been no problem with loads to Southampton. Yields may be another matter.

I suspect the aircraft could make more money on extra rotations to Birmingham or Edinburgh, although the sector time to Edinburgh may be too long to fill whatever gap is created by Southampton.

Another possibility is that with the tie-up of Stobart and FlyBe, they may transfer operation of the route to Cardiff to Stobart and sell through the EI Regional brand.
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 10:08
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N France now that FR have cancelled La Rochelle or Nantes or SNN-BRS would be my guesses. I know France will unlikely happen.
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 14:20
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Not sure I buy poor loads, suspect something else is planned either at Cork or from Shannon.
Strange, SOU seemed to be doing well. They increased frequency fairly rapidly, as I recall. LBA, launched at the same time was dropped after one summer. It was planned to operate SOU at 5 weekly this summer. Id have guessed a drop of some frequencies rather than cancellation, I thought they had a lot of cruise traffic?

Maybe there will be a transfer to flyBe. Seems a bit early for that, however. The take-over isnít finalised yet, I donít think?
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