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Old 11th Oct 2018, 14:46
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It had to be a fairly light 737-500 at that, but I do remember being on one with about 45 passengers that got off to Amsterdam that way about 15 years ago.
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Old 15th Oct 2018, 16:29
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Good news and bad news on the Zurich flights

The bad news is that the start date seems to now be 17-April, a little later than we thought.

The good news is that they go straight to 4x weekly then and that flights are at good times for connections apart from the Sunday flight. They are also showing at realistic prices, which should increase confidence that this is a timetable they Swiss expect to operate.
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Old 23rd Oct 2018, 13:20
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Air France are switching aircraft from an E170 to and E190 for the CDG route. Hopefully this is a sign it's going well. Perhaps the next year is a time to let this level of capacity bed in, but it would be great if some extra rotations were added as CDG would really start becoming an alternative hub to Heathrow and Amsterdam (although I'd always prefer to spend time in Schiphol than the other two).
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Old 24th Oct 2018, 23:25
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Initial two new routes from EI for Summer 2019 are Dubrovnik, Croatia (2 weekly) and the return of Nice, France (2 weekly) - Both begin early May 2019.
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Old 25th Oct 2018, 09:12
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Nice is no great surprise. Dubrovnik is more of a surprise; I had expected Rome to be the other one.

From the current timetable, it looks like SNN-AGP and SNN-FAO won't be operated by a Cork-based aircraft this year. However, it doesn't really fit the timings out of Dublin or Belfast either. Now there were rumours of an ASL 737 (although as far as I can see they only have freighters available) operating some services. Base that in Malage for the summer and all sorts of extra capacity could be brought in to any one of Cork, Dublin or Belfast.

What all that means, in a convulted way, is that it may not be a case of dropping some existing rotations to introduce the routes.

Regarding Ryanair, anyone know when we will hear more about Bordeaux, Carcassonne, Reus and Girona?
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Old 25th Oct 2018, 09:23
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Originally Posted by 840 View Post
Nice is no great surprise. Dubrovnik is more of a surprise; I had expected Rome to be the other one.

From the current timetable, it looks like SNN-AGP and SNN-FAO won't be operated by a Cork-based aircraft this year. However, it doesn't really fit the timings out of Dublin or Belfast either. Now there were rumours of an ASL 737 (although as far as I can see they only have freighters available) operating some services. Base that in Malage for the summer and all sorts of extra capacity could be brought in to any one of Cork, Dublin or Belfast.

What all that means, in a convulted way, is that it may not be a case of dropping some existing rotations to introduce the routes.

Regarding Ryanair, anyone know when we will hear more about Bordeaux, Carcassonne, Reus and Girona?
There appears to be no extra Thursday flight to BCN next summer, just those awful timed flights on Mo We Fr & Su
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Old 25th Oct 2018, 10:30
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Nice is no great surprise. Dubrovnik is more of a surprise; I had expected Rome to be the other one.

From the current timetable, it looks like SNN-AGP and SNN-FAO won't be operated by a Cork-based aircraft this year. However, it doesn't really fit the timings out of Dublin or Belfast either. Now there were rumours of an ASL 737 (although as far as I can see they only have freighters available) operating some services. Base that in Malaga for the summer and all sorts of extra capacity could be brought in to any one of Cork, Dublin or Belfast.
Dubrovnik is an interesting add, its a brilliant destination. I'm always surprised NCE didn't survive the recession, Im think it was daily at one stage.

The SNN sun routes schedule is certainly only part of the story, clearly the public schedule isn't the full version. It suggests that an aircraft is based at both AGP and FAO - unless EI are planning for a return to Dublin/ORK/BHD after midnight local time? The Belfast flights are already noted as being operated by ASL, if EI are wet-leasing there is time to finalise the operator/schedule.
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Old 25th Oct 2018, 10:43
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There's already a scheduled 23:55 AGP-DUB, so they are more than willing to operate that late. However, that is the return working of a 19:15 DUB-AGP, so it doesn't allow for the Shannon timings.

I was also surprised that Nice was cut entirely. Not sure it was ever daily, but it was year-round with reasonable usage for ski traffic to Méribel, La Plagne, Les Arcs, Alpe d'Huez etc.

However, so many destinations in Cork run into the problem of being viable when the route incentives are in place, but when those expire, an airline can use the same aircraft more profitably on a different route with full incentives. The design of the current scheme doesn't really encourage stability. It's why we see routes like Nice and Lisbon back after a hiatus and why I'd thought it might be time for Rome's return.
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Old 25th Oct 2018, 20:38
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I'm not sure what is with the pedantics of FR's seasonal routes to BOD/CCF/GRO/REU, they weren't released for sale again one year until early Jan! They will be back. NCE was axed after FR jumped on SNN-NCE (didn't last long), the route was never daily from my memory it reached a peak during the boom of nearly 4pw before staying at 3pw when it went to seasonal. This thread is depressing it seems with any positive steps, there's an angle too look for a negative. EI will grow weekly services in S19 as will other airlines in Cork, its a positive story.
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Old 28th Oct 2018, 12:12
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How many aircraft do EI have based in Cork? 2?
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Old 28th Oct 2018, 12:54
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RE Aer Lingus and the ASL 737s, They have already acquired 2 737-400s from Blue Air that are currently in SNN.They will be ferried to the US for the winter before coming back. Im led to believe theres a 3rd to come but not sure yet

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Old 29th Oct 2018, 08:57
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Originally Posted by FerrisBueller View Post
How many aircraft do EI have based in Cork? 2?
Currently it’s 4 A320s and 3 ATR72’s (operated by Stobart). There are also 4 flights a week to LHR operated by a DUB based aircraft.

There is is some speculation that there are further route announcements to come from EI for next summer. Fingers crossed.

In addition to EI, Ryanair have 2/3 aircraft based at ORK and there is a 4 times weekly from Norwegian that sits around for most of the morning/early afternoon. I wonder if Norwegian will ever launch that Barcelona flight, or somewhere else?
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Old 29th Oct 2018, 09:40
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The cost of crewing that flight would be high, but then the cost of parking it up for the day is also high both in terms of fees and opportunity cost on the aircraft.

I think the whole Barcelona thing was pre-launch with the idea the flight would be crewed from there, but that doesn’t seem likely now. In terms of opportunity, Alicante seems relatively underserved compared to other holiday airports in Spain and Portugal. There are also possibly opportunities to Seville and Valencia, but neither are served by Norwegian from anywhere yet.
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Old 29th Oct 2018, 15:08
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The cost of crewing that flight would be high, but then the cost of parking it up for the day is also high both in terms of fees and opportunity cost on the aircraft.
Indeed, the flights are currently crewed from the US, I think. Without some sort of seasonal crew base at Cork/Shannon I don't think such routes would be likely. On the other hand 4 times weekly summer destinations from Cork and Shannon, to the sun, you would imagine there would be a reasonable list.
Its not like Norwegian is afraid of slightly unusual routes, they serve some seasonal destinations in the Caribbean from JFK with 737s - they are French Islands, so in the EU, how odd/creative.

Rome anyone?
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Old 29th Oct 2018, 17:35
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There’s 8h 35m between touchdown and takeoff.

With 3 turnarounds and 2 flight sectors to Rome, Time looks too tight.

I’d have expected 2 1/2 hours to be the maximum sector time that could be considered.
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 14:35
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The missing Ryanair destinations in Italy, France and Spain are now loaded.

They run from the start of June to the end of August.

I think that may be marginally longer than last year, but am open to correction

All are twice weekly, except Reus, which is three times weekly.
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 14:26
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Seems that the AF CDG flight is changing to a morning flight on Cityjet from next summer. It's a pity that that flight isn't in addition to the existing flight.
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Old 6th Dec 2018, 13:24
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AF W19

AF is on sale for W19, back to Hop and the evening schedule
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Old 6th Dec 2018, 14:08
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I wonder if that’s a “copy&paste” from this winters schedule? The change to the CityJet operation came relatively late, I’d guess there will be further changes.
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Old 10th Dec 2018, 08:22
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It's a bit too early to have passenger numbers, but the fares being charged next Spring compare favourably with destinations like Barcelona, Malaga and Faro.
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