Stobart Air-2

[shamrock7seal]

'Loyalty' club only in name.

Pls look in detail at what Flight Club is and you'll get what i'm trying to say here. Flybe's programme is very heavy on cost, complexity and liability.

[Sharklet_321]

I assume that Stobart will reconsider their NQY service in light of the 4-times daily LHR service. In my opinion SEN-NQY doesn’t stand a chance with this additional capacity.

[Expressflight]

Originally Posted by Sharklet_321

I assume that Stobart will reconsider their NQY service in light of the 4-times daily LHR service. In my opinion SEN-NQY doesn’t stand a chance with this additional capacity.

So how much extra capacity does a 4 x Q400 LHR service offer over the current 3 x E195 LGW service? Not a lot.

[AirportPlanner1]

Originally Posted by Sharklet_321

I assume that Stobart will reconsider their NQY service in light of the 4-times daily LHR service. In my opinion SEN-NQY doesn’t stand a chance with this additional capacity.

Why shouldn’t it stand a chance? SEN-NQY will I imagine predominantly be used by locals heading to Cornwall on their holidays as it was last time around and as it was while the service was at STN. It also gives a bit of flexibility for Cornish folk heading more east. LHR won’t make the blindest bit of difference because those people would be unlikely to use it anyway. I think LHR also represents a drop in capacity over previous summers when it was 3xE195 daily.

[tophat27dt]

Originally Posted by Sharklet_321

I assume that Stobart will reconsider their NQY service in light of the 4-times daily LHR service. In my opinion SEN-NQY doesn’t stand a chance with this additional capacity.

What a ridiculous statement! How can LHR flights possibly affect SEN flights on opposite sides of London? They are different types of travellers anyway.

[davidjohnson6]

Once Crossrail opens, Southend will find itself competing with Heathrow. Maybe residents of the far east of Essex will find Southend the obvious compellung choice, but people living in east London or west Essex will find a new credible option available to them

[AirportPlanner1]

Originally Posted by davidjohnson6

Once Crossrail opens, Southend will find itself competing with Heathrow. Maybe residents of the far east of Essex will find Southend the obvious compellung choice, but people living in east London or west Essex will find a new credible option available to them

The benefit of Crossrail to folk in Essex isn’t huge and is overstated. You still need to get to Stratford or Liverpool St and change; you’d be crazy to get on in Shenfield as mainline trains will shoot past while you stop at every station.

Yes if you’re on the mainline and its branches such as Southend Victoria the journey to Heathrow will become quicker, but not so much so that Heathrow becomes any more desirable compared to local options than it is now. If you’re on the west Anglia line the benefit of Crossrail is even less.

[DC3 Dave]

You are absolutely right. According to TFL's website the fastest time from Stratford to LHR is less than an hour. And fastest time Shenfield to Stratford is 19 minutes. The gain is all about convenience and capacity, because it will take 1hr 18mins direct on Crossrail from Shenfield and LHR.

Crossrail will bring many benefits but a Bullet Train it is not.

[TartinTon]

Originally Posted by Expressflight

So how much extra capacity does a 4 x Q400 LHR service offer over the current 3 x E195 LGW service? Not a lot.

Err...if my maths is correct then it's less seats.....3 x 118 = 354 vs 4 x 78 = 312....I make that 42 one-way seats less per day than the current LGW option

[cornishsimon]

Your numbers are correct when based on the E95 which is leaving the fleet soon anyway

the E95 has already had some time away from the LGw route where it was replaced by the E75 due to mx elsewhere in the network

the LGW route was always scheduled to move to the E75 during 2019


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[Expressflight]

Originally Posted by TartinTon

Err...if my maths is correct then it's less seats.....3 x 118 = 354 vs 4 x 78 = 312....I make that 42 one-way seats less per day than the current LGW option

Thanks for pointing that out. I was thinking E175s for NQY-LGW next year but typed E195 so hopefully my original post now makes sense.

[DC3 Dave]

Does this suggest a problem ahead, or just a temporary setback?

https://www.standard.co.uk/business/...-a4006726.html

[SWBKCB]

Originally Posted by Cyrano

It suggests that the link isn't working any more...

Works for me.

[M-JCS]

I wonder if Flybe would be considered a "value creating opportunity based on sustainable operating cash generation" and, for that matter, an asset for a strong balance sheet? What could Stobart do with Flybe that hasn't been done already, and how much time (and investment) would it take?

[Andy_S]

Originally Posted by DC3 Dave

Does this suggest a problem ahead, or just a temporary setback?

https://www.standard.co.uk/business/...-a4006726.html

It suggests (as some of us have been saying for quite a while) that the dividends being paid by Stobart were unaffordable and unsustainable.

[airbourne]

What rotations are STK doing on the DUB-LCY route?

[BAladdy]

STK are only currently operating the BA4464 on a Saturday to DUB and the BA4467 on a Sunday from Dublin. They will begin operating more rotations on the LCY-DUB route once the 2nd E90 enters service

[Sharklet_321]

I'm curious as to why Cityflyer seems to be in this under-capacity situation where they need the help of a competitor?

[tophat27dt]

Originally Posted by Sharklet_321

I'm curious as to why Cityflyer seems to be in this under-capacity situation where they need the help of a competitor?

Stobart Air Leasing is hardly a competitor, except that the parent company operate Southend.

[southside bobby]

…& another part of the empire fund & operate services from Southend of course.