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Not even if they can pick it up for a song, cherry-pick the good bits and then operate it as a BA franchise (for which there is now a precedent)?
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Think that by precedent they were meaning that BA are contracting STK under wet lease for two x E90s at LCY.
Totally different to a huge domestic operation as a franchise.
However bot not without merit.
BE could well turn into a kind of uk one world feeder airline, MAN, DUB etc for QR, AA, CX etc
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Totally different to a huge domestic operation as a franchise.
However bot not without merit.
BE could well turn into a kind of uk one world feeder airline, MAN, DUB etc for QR, AA, CX etc
cs
The ACMI contract that Stobart Air have with BACF for the operation of two E190s is one thing, a BA/Stobart Air franchise would be totally different and most unlikely in my opinion.
a BA/Stobart Air franchise would be totally different
Having said that, I still think a BA-branded franchise regional operation would go down well at the likes of SOU, BHX, MAN, CWL, EXT, EDI and GLA. Ops would obviously need to be de-conflicted with CFE at LCY.
(You do wonder if Flybe might be regretting rebuffing Stobart's previous overtures?)
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Cannot see Stobart being daft enough tto buy a lemon like flybe TBH
Flybe missed a-trick earlier this year for sure, Just another example of poor decision making thats plauged them since COW took the helm
Flybe missed a-trick earlier this year for sure, Just another example of poor decision making thats plauged them since COW took the helm
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Does anyone know when Stibart are planning to take delivery of the first E90 to be leased to BACF. I am guessing it is delayed as some of the flights it was meant to operate from later this week are now showing as operated by a BACF E-jer or a RJ85, which I am guessing is being leased from Jota.
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They must have a plan.
Does anyone know when Stibart are planning to take delivery of the first E90 to be leased to BACF. I am guessing it is delayed as some of the flights it was meant to operate from later this week are now showing as operated by a BACF E-jer or a RJ85, which I am guessing is being leased from Jota.
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DC3 Dave - they would have to either fast track their own Stobart Air site or use that of a partner, Loganair?
As I see it the ONlY advantages Stobart would have in a take over of Flybe would be overall size for improved negotiating power & consolidation of London routes to remove competition but that’s about it.
But like I said on another post Staobart Air have lost £38m in 6 months. They are clearly MORE loss making than Flybe. How would buying Flybe help them? And what exactly would Stobart management do differently to turn fortunes around?
As I see it the ONlY advantages Stobart would have in a take over of Flybe would be overall size for improved negotiating power & consolidation of London routes to remove competition but that’s about it.
But like I said on another post Staobart Air have lost £38m in 6 months. They are clearly MORE loss making than Flybe. How would buying Flybe help them? And what exactly would Stobart management do differently to turn fortunes around?
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I'm not sure you can look at Stobart in this way. Sure they lost a load of money on their flying but to me, there was clearly an ulterior motive.
They own the airport and so launching flights was an investment to prove that a market exists to attract the likes of Ryanair and probably others. This will significantly increase the revenue at the airport (all of which flows to Stobart) and at the same time increases the value of the airport itself. In a few years time the 38m 'investment' could produce them a very healthy return.
They own the airport and so launching flights was an investment to prove that a market exists to attract the likes of Ryanair and probably others. This will significantly increase the revenue at the airport (all of which flows to Stobart) and at the same time increases the value of the airport itself. In a few years time the 38m 'investment' could produce them a very healthy return.
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Stobart should be making money on the Aer Lingus and BA branded flying. The ATR routes from SEN also thought to be ok. It’s the 195s that are propurted to be the main source of losses. Interesting that many of the routes they currently fly on are being taken over by FR and U2. Makes me wonder if the 195 makes any sense at all as a P2P aircraft.
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It was (is) the three 195s they operate out of SEN which cause serious problems and have in part caused reputations damage to Stobart and indeed Flybe. They need to either go altogether or replace with more reliable airframes. A redundant argument now as Flybe edges closer to a point of no return and it's ultimate potential administration and possible asset fire sale. Even if Stobart in their devine wisdom make a rash business decision to acquire Flybe, the fact those three fault ridden 195s remain in the fleet will result in extended negative impacts to Stobart and indirectly SEN too. Best dispose of those leases and the aircraft's in question.
Incidentally the first Stobart E190 is due into SEN this afternoon, its departure from the USA being delayed until this morning.
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I believe Stobart actually bought the 195s, so the leases shouldn’t be onorous going forward. They are wet-leasing the 195s from flyBe currently. Which is probably pricey and real cash flowing out of the business. I think it took longer than planned to get the 195s operational.
Stobart would likely be interested in the 6 ATRs that flyBe operate for SAS, they could probably buy that without the rest of the airline.
Stobart would likely be interested in the 6 ATRs that flyBe operate for SAS, they could probably buy that without the rest of the airline.
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I must say the E195s were and are more reliable under Flybe’s full ownership. It only seems to be since they went to SEN. Either sensitive crew new to each warning light (quite common with new aircraft types before anyone jumps out their chair in rage) or simply lacking line engineers to the same standards that Flybe had at their stations? Just a thought
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I must say the E195s were and are more reliable under Flybe’s full ownership. It only seems to be since they went to SEN. Either sensitive crew new to each warning light (quite common with new aircraft types before anyone jumps out their chair in rage) or simply lacking line engineers to the same standards that Flybe had at their stations? Just a thought