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With Brexit in mind I expect to see those 3 E195 in Aer Lingus colours and all being based in Dublin with one being used for SEN. They can operate some smaller European routes with it.
And for the ATRs they need a British airline that uses them as a wetlease from SEN. No more Flybe it seems, so why not as Easyjet... not likely to happen, but would be a better channel to sell tickets on European routes than Flybe which is hardly known on the continent.
And for the ATRs they need a British airline that uses them as a wetlease from SEN. No more Flybe it seems, so why not as Easyjet... not likely to happen, but would be a better channel to sell tickets on European routes than Flybe which is hardly known on the continent.
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With Brexit in mind I expect to see those 3 E195 in Aer Lingus colours and all being based in Dublin with one being used for SEN. They can operate some smaller European routes with it.
And for the ATRs they need a British airline that uses them as a wetlease from SEN. No more Flybe it seems, so why not as Easyjet... not likely to happen, but would be a better channel to sell tickets on European routes than Flybe which is hardly known on the continent.
And for the ATRs they need a British airline that uses them as a wetlease from SEN. No more Flybe it seems, so why not as Easyjet... not likely to happen, but would be a better channel to sell tickets on European routes than Flybe which is hardly known on the continent.
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Forgot about this Ryanair option. Doesn't sound that crazy to me. This might already be included in the deal they made with them. 5 year Flybe deal ending in March 19 and 5 year Ryanair deal starting in April 19.
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I know it's almost ridiculous to suggest that any airline could be a reputational risk to Ryanair, but are Stobart not really bad at the one thing Ryanair is not bad at? People have been coming back to the office after holidays and comparing notes, and the "Stobart from SEN are unreliable" penny appears to have dropped even among infrequent users of the airport!
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With Brexit in mind I expect to see those 3 E195 in Aer Lingus colours and all being based in Dublin with one being used for SEN. They can operate some smaller European routes with it.
And for the ATRs they need a British airline that uses them as a wetlease from SEN. No more Flybe it seems, so why not as Easyjet... not likely to happen, but would be a better channel to sell tickets on European routes than Flybe which is hardly known on the continent.
And for the ATRs they need a British airline that uses them as a wetlease from SEN. No more Flybe it seems, so why not as Easyjet... not likely to happen, but would be a better channel to sell tickets on European routes than Flybe which is hardly known on the continent.
Someone correct me if i'm wrong, but as for the ATRs we are only talking 4 ATR72 aircraft that are currently operating under the Flybe franchise partnership - and that's including 2 at the Isle of Man base ? If anything, these ATRs would most likely be best integrated into the Aer Lingus Regional network if there was any potential for expansion there. Otherwise with no extension of the Flybe franchise in its current form looking likely and i'm presuming there being no chance of Stobart Air operating scheduled services under there own brand(?), the majority of the SEN fleet, including the E-jets will most likely become available for Ad-Hoc / Short-term ACMI business model.
Personally i could have still seen potential under the Flybe franchise partnership at SEN and even expanding opportunities elsewhere. Although with the increased competition at SEN with Ryanair arriving plus the partnership with Loganair at CAX, it's been looking all the more likely that Stobart's intentions weren't in it for the long term for some time. I'm sure all will become clearer soon anyway.
I'm sure that it will but in the meantime we are all simply too much in the dark to make detailed speculation worthwhile. I include myself in that and offer only the three generalised possibilities that I posted earlier today. Beyond those a fertile imagination can come up with an infinite number of scenarios, none of which really seem any more likely than any other. I think I'll just wait to see what facts emerge before posting further.
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Loganair keeps entering the discussion. One odd thing that happened with the SEN-MAN route a couple of weeks ago, apart from it going off sale beyond early Jan (which seems a strange time to pull such a route), is that the minimum price suddenly jumped to £90. It’s also not been included in the recent discount promotion.
Its operating now for between £90 and about £160 for the basic non-flexible handluggage only fare. So it’s not just a case of hiking prices to deter forward bookings. What’s interesting is that when Carlisle was on sale, £90 is the minimum fare Loganair were charging.
Its operating now for between £90 and about £160 for the basic non-flexible handluggage only fare. So it’s not just a case of hiking prices to deter forward bookings. What’s interesting is that when Carlisle was on sale, £90 is the minimum fare Loganair were charging.
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Well that’s one way of looking at it I guess, it’s more that it’s the sort of route Loganair operate, at the sort of fares they charge, and clearly there is some relationship with Stobart. Testing the outcome of higher fares to demonstrate viability, or just coincidence? One thing is for sure, it can’t be to deter bookings if they’re actually operating the flights.
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Isn’t Flybe worried about the continuing public perception of unreliability at SEN? I’m sure the traveling public don’t even know they are not actually traveling with Flybe.
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I know it's almost ridiculous to suggest that any airline could be a reputational risk to Ryanair, but are Stobart not really bad at the one thing Ryanair is not bad at? People have been coming back to the office after holidays and comparing notes, and the "Stobart from SEN are unreliable" penny appears to have dropped even among infrequent users of the airport!
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Or happy about the fact that Stobart does not dilute Flybe's "Flymaybe" brand thanks to a stellar performance....
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Just noted that Stobart is now operating a single ATR42-600 as the two knackered ATR42-320 are gone. What is the reason behind this oddball subtype? Is there any airport in the network that cannot accommodate an ATR72-600 with 48 pax but an ATR42-600 with the same load? Donegal with its 1.500m runway should be able to take an ATR72 and Sligo and Galway are long gone. And conventional wisdom suggests that the operating costs of an ATR72 are not much higher than those of an ATR42 so that it would make sense to sacrifice operational flexibility.
Just noted that Stobart is now operating a single ATR42-600 as the two knackered ATR42-320 are gone. What is the reason behind this oddball subtype? Is there any airport in the network that cannot accommodate an ATR72-600 with 48 pax but an ATR42-600 with the same load? Donegal with its 1.500m runway should be able to take an ATR72 and Sligo and Galway are long gone. And conventional wisdom suggests that the operating costs of an ATR72 are not much higher than those of an ATR42 so that it would make sense to sacrifice operational flexibility.
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Loganair keeps entering the discussion. One odd thing that happened with the SEN-MAN route a couple of weeks ago, apart from it going off sale beyond early Jan (which seems a strange time to pull such a route), is that the minimum price suddenly jumped to £90. It’s also not been included in the recent discount promotion.
Its operating now for between £90 and about £160 for the basic non-flexible handluggage only fare. So it’s not just a case of hiking prices to deter forward bookings. What’s interesting is that when Carlisle was on sale, £90 is the minimum fare Loganair were charging.
Its operating now for between £90 and about £160 for the basic non-flexible handluggage only fare. So it’s not just a case of hiking prices to deter forward bookings. What’s interesting is that when Carlisle was on sale, £90 is the minimum fare Loganair were charging.
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I did a quick check today on the flybe website. It seems that the majority of SEN routes is no longer available for booking after early January and under a sort of fixed high price regime until then. What is still bookable until late March are at least DUB, Antwerp, Goningen and Rennes and these routes have lower and varying prices.
All in all, this is far from Stobart axing its SEN base. I also sense more opportunities, e.g. on the ANR route should VLM go under at LCY, or to BRN that is now unserved from London as a result of Skywork's insolvency. However, the ATR network from SEN will always be rather small as there are not a lot of destinations within the type's ideal range that have potential and are not served from STN and/or LCY (stuff like MST, FMO has already been tried unsuccessfully).
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I love your positivity virginblue, but a short while back Stobart were giving it large about delivering domestic flights for both business and leisure users. Ok, it may be the right decision to axe MAN and GLA, but they said they were in it for the long term. Apparently not. And if SEN - MAN or GLA can't be made to work, exactly what chance does SEN - CAX have next year?
