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Old 2nd Nov 2018, 11:33
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Given Stobart are an Irish registered airline, doesn't this mean they need a British AOC with British registered aircraft from March 2019? Do they have this in hand yet?
We don't know yet- depends on the Brexit deal - only yes for sure in the "no deal" scenario
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Old 2nd Nov 2018, 15:26
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I have heard that the first E90 is planned to begin operating for BACF In a couple of weeks time. Does anyone know when the second aircraft is planned to enter service with BACF?.
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Old 2nd Nov 2018, 16:42
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I did hear that the second aircraft will be delivered in February 2019 but cannot confirm that as being correct..
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Old 2nd Nov 2018, 20:20
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BA Deal..

Excellent news for Stobart, I.e. the BACF ACMI deal. Best of luck to one and all...!
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Old 3rd Nov 2018, 07:55
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First E90 will be registered EI-GHJ. Aircraft is ex Virgin Australia aircraft VH-ZPI.

The aircraft will begin operating for BACF on 16th November, which is two days earlier than previously announced. During the first week of operation the aircraft is due to operate

MON - BA7301/BA7302/BA4455/BA4456/BA7305/BA7306 (LCY-LIN-LCY-RTM-LCY-LIN-LCY)
TUE - BA8761/BA8762/BA8453/BA8454/BA8738/BA8737 (LCY-FRA-LCY-AMS-LCY-FRA-LCY)
WED - BA8761/BA8762/BA8453/BA8454/BA8738/BA8737 (LCY-FRA-LCY-AMS-LCY-FRA-LCY)
THU - BA8761/BA8762/BA8453/BA8454/BA8738/BA8737 (LCY-FRA-LCY-AMS-LCY-FRA-LCY)
FRI - BA7301/BA7302/BA4455/BA4456/BA7305/BA7306 (LCY-LIN-LCY-RTM-LCY-LIN-LCY)
SAT - BA8491/BA8492/BA4464 (LCY-TXL-LCY-DUB)
SUN - BA4467/BA7305/BA7306 (DUB-LCY-LIN-LCY

The 2nd aircraft is showing as operating from 31st January. The 2nd aircraft will operate mostly to GVA and FCO. The S19 schedule has yet to be updated to show which flights Stobart aircraft will be operating

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Old 7th Nov 2018, 08:40
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First of the acquired ERJ190`s is a 10 year old example.

Another site suggests marks allocated to this frame as EI-GHK.
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 09:27
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This is a very good move by Stobart and distances themselves somewhat from Flybe who have been the authors of their own demise in many ways.

It would be interesting if Stobart manage to do this with other carriers in the UK; Virgin for example could be good for long-haul feed at Manchester.

Does anyone know what BA Cityflyer will do as they will seemingly have a significant amount of capacity to launch new routes or release aircraft for C-checks.
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 09:49
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Originally Posted by Nakata77
This is a very good move by Stobart and distances themselves somewhat from Flybe who have been the authors of their own demise in many ways.

It would be interesting if Stobart manage to do this with other carriers in the UK; Virgin for example could be good for long-haul feed at Manchester.

Does anyone know what BA Cityflyer will do as they will seemingly have a significant amount of capacity to launch new routes or release aircraft for C-checks.
Why would Virgin look to partner with Stobart when they already codeshare with Flybe at Manchester and around the UK? If Virgin wanted a short haul feeder airline they'd just buy Flybe.
What it shows is that as an airline Stoabart only see a future as an ACMI airline.
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 10:02
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What it shows is that as an airline Stoabart only see a future as an ACMI airline.
Agreed - an awful lot seems to be being read into this Cityflyer deal.

Is there any evidence that it is anything other than a straight forward ACMI lease?
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 10:03
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
.What it shows is that as an airline Stoabart only see a future as an ACMI airline.
So they don't still operate some 14 ATRs under Aer Lingus Regional branding. I must have missed that. That operation is a franchise deal operated largely at Stobart's financial risk and certainly not as an ACMI provider.
I also heard talk yesterday that they are looking at the Embraer E2 for future fleet replacements.
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 10:44
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So they don't still operate some 14 ATRs under Aer Lingus Regional branding. I must have missed that. That operation is a franchise deal operated largely at Stobart's financial risk and certainly not as an ACMI provider.
I also heard talk yesterday that they are looking at the Embraer E2 for future fleet replacements.
They still operate that yes but how secure will it be in the future with Cityjet now operating for Aer Lingus?
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 11:33
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True, but the Stobart/Aer Lingus agreement runs until 31st January 2022 and a lot can happen between now and then.
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Old 14th Nov 2018, 07:20
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FlyBe up for sale/merger with Stobart being touted as possible buyer. Don't see how it would be beneficial as Stobart don't have the time or money to turn the business around, just my opinion of course but would love to hear other opinions on the issue.
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Old 14th Nov 2018, 08:18
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I would agree rowly6339

I'm sure the board of stobart are saying things like 'why bother inheriting a whole load of bulls**t when we could in theory do it from scratch ourselves a whole lot cheaper and with less baggage'.
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Old 14th Nov 2018, 08:27
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I think Stobart have more pressing matters at the moment regarding a court case with a certain Mr T than contemplating taking an interest in a failing airline.
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Old 14th Nov 2018, 08:29
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And wasn't the original bid for BE one of the reasons for the falling out? I'd have thought that if Stobart were still interested, the deal would have been done before BE went public.
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Old 14th Nov 2018, 10:31
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I really cannot see Stobart making a renewed bid for Flybe. Things have changed since then.
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Old 14th Nov 2018, 10:54
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I really cannot see Stobart making a renewed bid for Flybe
Not even if they can pick it up for a song, cherry-pick the good bits and then operate it as a BA franchise (for which there is now a precedent)?
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Old 14th Nov 2018, 10:59
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'cherry pick the good bits'

better to let it go under and then the contracts are null and void.

if you take it over you inherit the good with the bad, you can't cherry pick
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Old 14th Nov 2018, 11:16
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Not even if they can pick it up for a song, cherry-pick the good bits and then operate it as a BA franchise (for which there is now a precedent)?
Willie Walsh ended the dash for franchises at BA, Loganair was not renewed and ended up with flybe. Only two remain, Comair in SA, and Sun Air, quite what the latter brings to the table in terms of the larger BA operation I have never worked out.
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