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Old 12th Nov 2019, 16:39
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Originally Posted by Plane mad 134
Flybe add 3x daily GLA-SEN from 27th April 2020, great news!
I wouldnt say that was great news. LM flights a slow burner with lowish loads. Not enough to maintain two carriers. Would be surprised if BE could generate huge new pax numbers. Unless with their new found renewed friendship its a codeshare.
So much for environmentally friendly!
SEN is a dud for domestic with longish train journey to London.
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Old 12th Nov 2019, 17:00
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Originally Posted by VickersVicount

I wouldnt say that was great news. LM flights a slow burner with lowish loads. Not enough to maintain two carriers. Would be surprised if BE could generate huge new pax numbers. Unless with their new found renewed friendship its a codeshare.
So much for environmentally friendly!
SEN is a dud for domestic with longish train journey to London.
I wouldn’t say it is that much longer. Train from Southend Airport to Stratford is 45 mins. Piccadilly line (which a lot people use rather than Heathrow Express) from LHR T2/3 to Green Park is 49 mins.

Different markets. Anyone going to Canary Wharf, Essex or City will find it more convenient to fly you SEN over LTN, LHR and it beats LGW for ease
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Old 12th Nov 2019, 17:02
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Originally Posted by VickersVicount

I wouldnt say that was great news. LM flights a slow burner with lowish loads. Not enough to maintain two carriers. Would be surprised if BE could generate huge new pax numbers. Unless with their new found renewed friendship its a codeshare.
So much for environmentally friendly!
SEN is a dud for domestic with longish train journey to London.
Thankyou for your upbeat comment VV. By the way the correct spelling is Vickers Viscount!
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Old 12th Nov 2019, 18:01
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Originally Posted by Planespeaking
By the way the correct spelling is Vickers Viscount!
I'm well aware of that thank you but username was already taken.
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Old 12th Nov 2019, 18:02
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Originally Posted by Plane mad 134
Flybe add 3x daily GLA-SEN from 27th April 2020, great news!
Its ****e. It directly attempts to weaken one of the few carriers that care about GLA.
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Old 12th Nov 2019, 19:16
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Originally Posted by mwm991
Its ****e. It directly attempts to weaken one of the few carriers that care about GLA.
One who they've recently added a codeshare agreement with and seemed to be building up SEN into it's London focus airport. Odd.
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Old 12th Nov 2019, 19:28
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
One who they've recently added a codeshare agreement with and seemed to be building up SEN into it's London focus airport. Odd.
Don’t forget Stobart are part-owner of Connect, own SEN, and have a relationship with Logan. As you say there is also the codeshare.

I’d be shocked if they are intentionally undermining Logan, I think it’s more likely it’s been agreed with Logan and possibly it will be Logan actually operating the flights. The timings are very similar to the original 3x daily schedule before it was cut to 2x, even more eerily so when you consider a new Sat flight was added for S20. Even if it is BE operating, Logan will still I assume benefit from the feed.

For those critiquing SEN as an entry point to London, don’t forget BE/Stobart ran this route only 12 months back so have the data and while loads were poor it was on the much larger E195.
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Old 12th Nov 2019, 20:05
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Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1


Don’t forget Stobart are part-owner of Connect, own SEN, and have a relationship with Logan. As you say there is also the codeshare.

I’d be shocked if they are intentionally undermining Logan, I think it’s more likely it’s been agreed with Logan and possibly it will be Logan actually operating the flights. The timings are very similar to the original 3x daily schedule before it was cut to 2x, even more eerily so when you consider a new Sat flight was added for S20. Even if it is BE operating, Logan will still I assume benefit from the feed.

For those critiquing SEN as an entry point to London, don’t forget BE/Stobart ran this route only 12 months back so have the data and while loads were poor it was on the much larger E195.
What does loganair use on the route? A prop or a jet?
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Old 12th Nov 2019, 20:42
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
What does loganair use on the route? A prop or a jet?
They use a jet.
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Old 12th Nov 2019, 21:46
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Very confused by this announcement at the moment, hopefully more will come to light pretty quickly as I actually have a booking with LM to Southend in January.
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Old 13th Nov 2019, 10:26
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Three daily on GLA-SEN is overkill, once daily might just about work but there's not enough business traffic for that level of frequency.
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Old 13th Nov 2019, 11:14
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
Three daily on GLA-SEN is overkill, once daily might just about work but there's not enough business traffic for that level of frequency.
You don’t get business traffic with a one-daily frequency though.
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Old 13th Nov 2019, 12:50
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Originally Posted by A350Saltire
You don’t get business traffic with a one-daily frequency though.
Doesn't matter IMHO, there's just not the traffic there to support this.
Happy to be proved wrong.
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Old 14th Nov 2019, 09:33
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Loganair have made some changes to the Glasgow schedule they are as follows:
· Loganair will cancel 3x daily London Southend eff 3rd Jan 2020
· They will also increase East Midlands from 2x daily to 3x daily eff 24th February 2020.
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Old 14th Nov 2019, 11:09
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Loganair should increase their Cardiff rotations to two daily making it suitable for the business traveller.
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Old 14th Nov 2019, 20:23
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AMS, DUB, FRA, CDG, DXB... all up for sept in CAA stats. Not bad. JFK and EWR holding up too.
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IMO the rebirth and fresh investment into Flybe/connect airways puts the lid on loganairs expansion attempts. Highlands & Islands and other UK/IRE regional travel looks like it's going to be their lot. Can't see much of a push into major markets again. Pulled out of London and never went for Manchester when BE dropped the route.
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Old 15th Nov 2019, 19:43
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Originally Posted by mwm991
IMO the rebirth and fresh investment into Flybe/connect airways puts the lid on loganairs expansion attempts. Highlands & Islands and other UK/IRE regional travel looks like it's going to be their lot. Can't see much of a push into major markets again. Pulled out of London and never went for Manchester when BE dropped the route.
Which those who have 'seen it all before' could have predicted. Stick with what your good at...
I don't see SEN lasting with anyone TBH in the longterm.
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I agree with CabinCrewe, good point well made.
I have seen nothing so far that suggests Virgin Connect will be anymore than another fresh coat of paint. Putting lipstick on a Dash so to speak.

As for “being their lot”, that’s often a good thing. There’s longevity in quickly knowing when to quit!
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Luton flight?

Read this just this morning, news to me on the Luton flight yet it’s still available to book for March on the easy jet website!?!?;

After losing its easyJet connection to Luton, Glasgow is facing another defection with Loganair scrapping its service to and from Southend from 3 January. It leaves the Scottish airport with Heathrow, London City and limited Stansted flights.



Loganair: A rare step back.


The Southend decision is a rare step back for Loganair. It has been highly active this year, most recently (BTN 23 September) when it took over routes linking Edinburgh and Glasgow with East Midlands following Flybe withdrawing its services.

A spokesman said: "We made the decision due to the high number of low-fare options in the Glasgow to London market for which our size aircraft are unsuitable." Loganair will instead increase Glasgow – East Midlands services to three times a day from 24 February.

Elsewhere, Loganair has welcomed its 25,000th passenger (below) since starting operations from Newcastle International Airport. The business traveller from Belgium was handed free tickets for a return trip to the North East.

The tickets were handed over by the airport’s aviation development executive Chris Ion and marketing and communications manager Kate Hall.

Loganair opened a base at Newcastle in March when it took over flights to Brussels and Stavanger following the administration of flybmi and has added six routes since.

www.loganair.co.uk

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