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Discussed in the BMI thread a few days ago.
I don't recall the exact start date, but this route is longer than most would have realised. I can remember seeing it in the BMI printed timeable circa 2002, I think. It's a shame to lose competition on the route, especially as BM serve it from with an ABZ-based aircraft and T3 serve it with NWI-based aircraft.
However the North Sea oil and gas industry is no longer so inclined to send all its staff by air. Riggers are much more likely to be sent by train if transferring between the two cities. Perhaps T3 will take some comfort from losing the competition (and maybe jack up the average fare in the process).
I don't recall the exact start date, but this route is longer than most would have realised. I can remember seeing it in the BMI printed timeable circa 2002, I think. It's a shame to lose competition on the route, especially as BM serve it from with an ABZ-based aircraft and T3 serve it with NWI-based aircraft.
However the North Sea oil and gas industry is no longer so inclined to send all its staff by air. Riggers are much more likely to be sent by train if transferring between the two cities. Perhaps T3 will take some comfort from losing the competition (and maybe jack up the average fare in the process).
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They also operated NWI-MAN briefly in 2003/4 with the same equipment.
It's a shame to see an operator exit NWI, however I think this particular route canx is due to the state of the UK oil industry more than anything.
Which illustrates the fact Norwich has all its eggs in one basket. Everyone in the city regards it as a riggers airport relying on the Amsterdam and Aberdeen routes. As such it is just a big rundown shed with very basic facilities.
If KLM ever pull out that will be the end.
If KLM ever pull out that will be the end.
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Doom and Gloom again I see, don't you ever have anything positive to say, you rub so many people up the wrong way with your uneeded negative and tedious comments on here everytime.
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Jay, so if Frankfurt has also lost its link to Aberdeen, does that place Frankfurt in the same "pisspot regional airport category" that you seem to have created for Norwich? Of course not. It's more likely that a spate of route cuts at ABZ (Frankfurt, loss of second carrier on NWI and something else yet to come) are related to structural issues in the Aberdeen market rather than any perceived failings of Norwich. It's clearly not good news for Norwich and I don't think anyone would dress it up as such, but using this to pursue the narrow anti-Norwich agenda is an implausible stretch of logic.
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One of the structural changes in the ABZ market is that as the focus of the oil industry moves North, the helicopter traffic is transferring to Shetland. I assume that the oil workers are flying via Edinburgh, no need to call in at Aberdeen.
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Out of interest what is it you think Norwich should be offering given its local economy and catchment? Iberia 4 daily to Madrid? El Al to Tel Aviv? American to JFK?
The loss of BMI will at least save the airport having to keep departures manned for a couple of dozen people each evening
Out of interest what is it you think Norwich should be offering given its local economy and catchment? Iberia 4 daily to Madrid? El Al to Tel Aviv? American to JFK?
The loss of BMI will at least save the airport having to keep departures manned for a couple of dozen people each evening
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So are those the only routes that your ex Air UK Captain buddy operated, ABZ and AMS.
Back in the day Air UK operated a NWI/LHR route, a NWI/MME route, NWI/EDI, NWI/HUY, weekend CI routes were popular, not just ABZ and AMS, these other routes were surrendered as a result of Air UK becoming KLM UK whereas only AMS was focused upon.
Get a 3rd runway at LHR and I can envisage that becoming a route, these east coast operators are trying some of the old Air UK routes, the IT routes that seem to be increasing, allbeit slowly, year on year, thanks to Air UK, and Air Anglia before it, KLM has a maintenance base at NWI that brings in rent, landing, parking fees etc., the list goes on, it's far from all about AMS & Helicopters!
So are those the only routes that your ex Air UK Captain buddy operated, ABZ and AMS.
Back in the day Air UK operated a NWI/LHR route, a NWI/MME route, NWI/EDI, NWI/HUY, weekend CI routes were popular, not just ABZ and AMS, these other routes were surrendered as a result of Air UK becoming KLM UK whereas only AMS was focused upon.
Get a 3rd runway at LHR and I can envisage that becoming a route, these east coast operators are trying some of the old Air UK routes, the IT routes that seem to be increasing, allbeit slowly, year on year, thanks to Air UK, and Air Anglia before it, KLM has a maintenance base at NWI that brings in rent, landing, parking fees etc., the list goes on, it's far from all about AMS & Helicopters!
Jay, so if Frankfurt has also lost its link to Aberdeen, does that place Frankfurt in the same "pisspot regional airport category" that you seem to have created for Norwich? Of course not. It's more likely that a spate of route cuts at ABZ (Frankfurt, loss of second carrier on NWI and something else yet to come) are related to structural issues in the Aberdeen market rather than any perceived failings of Norwich. It's clearly not good news for Norwich and I don't think anyone would dress it up as such, but using this to pursue the narrow anti-Norwich agenda is an implausible stretch of logic.
As I stated previously the airport has a lot of eggs in the offshore oil business as indeed does Aberdeen.Any decline in that industry is going to affect the bottom line.
The much discussed departure fee is a bone of contention for locals. There is certainly no evidence of it being spent on the terminal. Facts speak for themselves.In 2007 passenger numbers reached a record 772,000.Once they introduced the tax numbers fell below half a million and have never recovered to those levels.
Newquay dropped it and Ryanair returned.
I am merely telling the truth when I say the place is run down and not customer friendly.
Have you read the Skytrax reviews of Norwich airport?
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I agreed with them fully.
The UK has enough airports of all different kinds that have been run in all different ways that we can see what works and what doesn't. While Norwich can't be a Newquay (the North Norfolk coast is nice but just isn't the same tourist draw), it needs to try and draw itself out of the same league as Blackpool and Teesside.
The UK has enough airports of all different kinds that have been run in all different ways that we can see what works and what doesn't. While Norwich can't be a Newquay (the North Norfolk coast is nice but just isn't the same tourist draw), it needs to try and draw itself out of the same league as Blackpool and Teesside.
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On a slightly different but positive note, I flew on the Flybe service to Exeter the other day on the Embraer and it must have been 3/4 full. It seems to work well because it saves driving for over five hours by car or trekking over London by train to get to Exeter. Good price too.